2022 U19 World Cup Thread

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African youth football is rife with age cheating. A decade ago, we had 16 year old-father of three, Obafemi Martins signed by Italians giants Inter Milan after excelling at the U19/21 World Cup. He was short, stocky but had a “mature face”. A year or two later, he suffered a serious injury, bone scans etc showed that he was in his mid-30s. His contract was immediately terminated but he had secured a big payday…and he went on to play for smaller European teams based on being a former Inter Milan player

You see, the age-cheating in this context is driven by relentless pursuit of wealth. The football cheats are after that big European football contract. What exactly is it that the Pakistani and Afghan cricket age cheats are hoping to achieve?? Will Hampshirite offer them a contract?? Will the Big Bash, IPL come calling??

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So much similarity in Afghans seniors & youths, both thinks batting is just hitting the ball out of the boundary. Target was quite in the radar for Afghans.

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Tinah09 wrote:
Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:08 am
The annoying thing about this age-cheating shit, is that the main culprits are big cricketing nations where damn near every male plays some form of cricket, whether pro, semi-pro, schools, recreation etc. Pakistan have a very large pool of players to choose from, I would be surprised if there’s a Pakistan high school without cricket teams from U13-U19. So why bring pick overage domestic journeymen??

Zimbabwe, New Zealand for example historical have minuscule talent pools to work with, yet they aren’t populating their teams with pensioners. This tournament works on an honour-based system, the cricketing world deserves better. Do they want to win that bad?? Okay, your 30 year olds win the U19 WC, then what?? What is the endgame?? What’s the point?? Ruining it for everyone !!

In every cases age cheating isn't a problem. Under 19 youths from top teams appears in World Cup through their world class infrastructure. A batter hitting long sixes and a bowler hitting 140+ doesn't means they are over age, credit goes to their set up. Credit goes to respective boards for setting up a system.Age fraud may be a big issue but facilities should also be kept in mind. Youths from these top teams spends a good amount of time with their national stars by playing against them in domestic and gaining good amount of knowledge.

Smaller cricket specially Zimbabwe has got financial problems for long time and they haven't found a roadmap to solve it and came out of it. Bangladesh in that case have made lot of progress and have won this tournament. Their board members learns such skills from India, Pak, Sri Lanka and now they have managed to set up such infrastructure. Blaming after getting defeated is just a mental satisfaction, to overcome from such defeats is success

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https://www.herald.co.zw/u-19-cricket-p ... suspended/

Chirwa suspended for an illegal bowling action. ICC are on top of everything besides age cheating

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Rajkumar Sharma wrote:
Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:57 am
Tinah09 wrote:
Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:08 am
The annoying thing about this age-cheating shit, is that the main culprits are big cricketing nations where damn near every male plays some form of cricket, whether pro, semi-pro, schools, recreation etc. Pakistan have a very large pool of players to choose from, I would be surprised if there’s a Pakistan high school without cricket teams from U13-U19. So why bring pick overage domestic journeymen??

Zimbabwe, New Zealand for example historical have minuscule talent pools to work with, yet they aren’t populating their teams with pensioners. This tournament works on an honour-based system, the cricketing world deserves better. Do they want to win that bad?? Okay, your 30 year olds win the U19 WC, then what?? What is the endgame?? What’s the point?? Ruining it for everyone !!

In every cases age cheating isn't a problem. Under 19 youths from top teams appears in World Cup through their world class infrastructure. A batter hitting long sixes and a bowler hitting 140+ doesn't means they are over age, credit goes to their set up. Credit goes to respective boards for setting up a system.Age fraud may be a big issue but facilities should also be kept in mind. Youths from these top teams spends a good amount of time with their national stars by playing against them in domestic and gaining good amount of knowledge.

Smaller cricket specially Zimbabwe has got financial problems for long time and they haven't found a roadmap to solve it and came out of it. Bangladesh in that case have made lot of progress and have won this tournament. Their board members learns such skills from India, Pak, Sri Lanka and now they have managed to set up such infrastructure. Blaming after getting defeated is just a mental satisfaction, to overcome from such defeats is success
I find it hard to believe that a critical mass of 16-19 year olds are playing week in-week out against the top domestic players in any top tier league. You can count the number of U19 kids playing in Australia’s Sheffield or Big Bash league. Most play for junior teams with one or two kids getting a game here and there. This tendency to show up with seasoned veterans masquerading as U19 ruins cricket for everyone and also deprived real U19 the chance to shine

Last World Cup Manjot Karla scored a century and was heralded as a hero. He was later exposed as an age-cheat. Was this fair on the young bowlers who were competing with him?? Why was he even there?? Doesnt the term “U19” mean anything to him or India. If you have all the money, facilities etc WHY CHEAT??? Associate nations, Zimbabwe are damn near broke yet there’s no cheating epidemic

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It ruins actual u19 cricketers` careers. Shouldn't be accepted at all.

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Tinah09 wrote:
Fri Jan 21, 2022 4:57 am
Rajkumar Sharma wrote:
Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:57 am
Tinah09 wrote:
Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:08 am
The annoying thing about this age-cheating shit, is that the main culprits are big cricketing nations where damn near every male plays some form of cricket, whether pro, semi-pro, schools, recreation etc. Pakistan have a very large pool of players to choose from, I would be surprised if there’s a Pakistan high school without cricket teams from U13-U19. So why bring pick overage domestic journeymen??

Zimbabwe, New Zealand for example historical have minuscule talent pools to work with, yet they aren’t populating their teams with pensioners. This tournament works on an honour-based system, the cricketing world deserves better. Do they want to win that bad?? Okay, your 30 year olds win the U19 WC, then what?? What is the endgame?? What’s the point?? Ruining it for everyone !!

In every cases age cheating isn't a problem. Under 19 youths from top teams appears in World Cup through their world class infrastructure. A batter hitting long sixes and a bowler hitting 140+ doesn't means they are over age, credit goes to their set up. Credit goes to respective boards for setting up a system.Age fraud may be a big issue but facilities should also be kept in mind. Youths from these top teams spends a good amount of time with their national stars by playing against them in domestic and gaining good amount of knowledge.

Smaller cricket specially Zimbabwe has got financial problems for long time and they haven't found a roadmap to solve it and came out of it. Bangladesh in that case have made lot of progress and have won this tournament. Their board members learns such skills from India, Pak, Sri Lanka and now they have managed to set up such infrastructure. Blaming after getting defeated is just a mental satisfaction, to overcome from such defeats is success
I find it hard to believe that a critical mass of 16-19 year olds are playing week in-week out against the top domestic players in any top tier league. You can count the number of U19 kids playing in Australia’s Sheffield or Big Bash league. Most play for junior teams with one or two kids getting a game here and there. This tendency to show up with seasoned veterans masquerading as U19 ruins cricket for everyone and also deprived real U19 the chance to shine

Last World Cup Manjot Karla scored a century and was heralded as a hero. He was later exposed as an age-cheat. Was this fair on the young bowlers who were competing with him?? Why was he even there?? Doesnt the term “U19” mean anything to him or India. If you have all the money, facilities etc WHY CHEAT??? Associate nations, Zimbabwe are damn near broke yet there’s no cheating epidemic
If age fraud is prime issue.Why ICC will show kindness to Zimbabwe and allow Madhevere, Shumba to play 3 U19 World Cups ? If cricket isn't top sport in Zimbabwe, if Zim doesn't have talent pool, infrastructure, then ICC has nothing to do it, its complete failure of board in not spreading the game in all educational institutions and create interest in youths in taking the game. What legend like Masakadza is doing for youth Cricket ? What is the role of Mukuhakani & Makoni in spreading the game ? Instead of playing blaming card hit the rod where its required.

2/3 players of previous batches getting picked for 3 world cups is really a concern. If rule is set on age, it should be followed by all the teams playing the World Cup, no point of showing kindness to any nation.Since you can't teach a youth to cheat similarly you can't show kindness in top events by breaking the rule. Its complete failure of board if the team can't find players. Cricket is differant then other sports the game is purely business like at this point of time. India has age fraud issues steps have been taken. Manjot was served 1 year ban for age fraud, Do you expect such strict action from Pakistan, Afghans or others ? Pak can't even ban their fixers. Recently Pak arranged U19 & U13 trials and 90% of the youths came there was over age. None of their PCB officials took strong action against those culprits who handed over them fake age certificates and also the coaches who selected them for the trials.Kalra was ton scorer in U19 WC final and has been given 1 year ban. Now India are the first team in the world through Rahul Dravid who declared not a single player of previous batches will get picked in WC from 2022, and bone test will be done before selection

Team getting defeated should point on players and system not on age.Pointing finger on others is very easy then finding out own problems and rectifying it.
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Kriterion_BD wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:00 pm
Googly wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:38 pm

I'm not going to stop whining about this. Check out the reserves of both sides, they're visibly much
Well that's not true. A 25 year old bowling 140 sconning someone in a tournament is actually life threatening. There would be grounds for a law suit.
Secondly there are youngsters looking for Academy and pro contracts and runs are important so there goes the livelihood part as well.
How do you feel about Mankad?
Do you mind who cheats? I mean if someone cheats against your side would it be less palatable or are you OK with it across the board?
Are you ambivalent about it or would you actively encourage it if someone could get away with it?
For example would you teach your kids to cheat?
Where do you personally draw the line? A list of things that you are not OK with would help establish how much of a dipstick you actually are. :lol:
How is a 25 yo bowling 140 any more dangerous than a 19 yo bowling 140? In 2018, India had a 17 year old bowling 150. And another bowling 140-145.

Mankading is stupid. Totally against it. Its not cricket IMO.

I can get behind a level playing field for a tournament involving a couple of hundred cricketers if you can get behind a level playing field for stuff that affects millions of people (eg rooting out systemic racism against blacks and people of color) or billions (climate change denialism). Sounds reasonable no?

All I'm saying is maybe a level playing field is overrated. Like should we really punish the players born into a country we're age manipulation is commonplace? That would like punishing rich kids with higher taxes just for being born into wealth. Maybe we should let things be as is.
With this logic I’m going to put Tyson Fury in the u/17s boxing Yorkshire championships.
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Also can’t wait to see your future 17 yr old son playing for the USA up against a 27 yr old 145 bowler.
Good thing you’re a medical professional if the bouncer hits his head.
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Kriterion_BD wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:00 pm
Googly wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:38 pm

I'm not going to stop whining about this. Check out the reserves of both sides, they're visibly much
Well that's not true. A 25 year old bowling 140 sconning someone in a tournament is actually life threatening. There would be grounds for a law suit.
Secondly there are youngsters looking for Academy and pro contracts and runs are important so there goes the livelihood part as well.
How do you feel about Mankad?
Do you mind who cheats? I mean if someone cheats against your side would it be less palatable or are you OK with it across the board?
Are you ambivalent about it or would you actively encourage it if someone could get away with it?
For example would you teach your kids to cheat?
Where do you personally draw the line? A list of things that you are not OK with would help establish how much of a dipstick you actually are. :lol:
How is a 25 yo bowling 140 any more dangerous than a 19 yo bowling 140? In 2018, India had a 17 year old bowling 150. And another bowling 140-145.

Mankading is stupid. Totally against it. Its not cricket IMO.

I can get behind a level playing field for a tournament involving a couple of hundred cricketers if you can get behind a level playing field for stuff that affects millions of people (eg rooting out systemic racism against blacks and people of color) or billions (climate change denialism). Sounds reasonable no?

All I'm saying is maybe a level playing field is overrated. Like should we really punish the players born into a country we're age manipulation is commonplace? That would like punishing rich kids with higher taxes just for being born into wealth. Maybe we should let things be as is.
Well it's highly improbable that the Indians bowling 140 and 150 are 17 isn't it? :lol: A 6ft 8 Blessing can't get it up to 140 but a 17 year old kid can? :lol:

Absolutely its no less dangerous whether someone the right age can bowl that quick or not, but you're totally missing the point. A man bowling that fast against u19's is against the rules and there needs to be repercussions. The answer is in what that U stands for. If the kid plays in FC he signs up for that. If he plays in an Under 19 tournament he has a right to expect to face u19's.
If you're OK with over agers then you must be OK with under agers? So a 12 year old child soldier in Liberia is acceptable because he's killing people with an AK which is the same tool that his 25 year old counterparts use?

Your analogy of taxing the rich kid more is a bit weird because yes, they do get taxed more.

I've always been behind a level playing field, whether it's issues of cricket or race. But in your world the way to make things equal is to pull others down in order to give others a leg up. You have to make it systemically racist in the other direction in order for there to be a chance of that happening because the rules are reasonably fair now and there's very little change to the status quo. Historical injustices are hard to rectify unless the playing field becomes heavily tipped in your favor and even then there's no guarantee.

So your suggestion is to leave things be because that's how things are done there anyway? If the WC was being played in Afghanistan then maybe they would be entitled to set the rules - ok we've got a cricket comp here, in order to enter bring 3 reserves that are u19. But the comp is in another country organised by a world wide governing body- their venue, their rules.

You even lost Tinah here, not easy to do that, he/she would have blindly followed you anywhere :lol:

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