Taylor Retirement Story

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I imagine Streak made a straight character assessment and it was pretty accurate.

Now that Streak's wrongs are exposed they are desperately trying to get the shame shifted.

I don't think it needs to have been too massive.

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Maybe it is the Jimmy talking, but I have to say three weeks on from this news, this particular news, and no appearance by BRMT just shows how much he cares about it all now.

Time for a new leadership group led by Zimdoggy with Googly, Crimson, Eugene, Taps and secret all as mods.

Every shade repped there.
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Iis there a limit of the number of terms a chairman can do. It looks like mukuhlani will keep electing himself for the next 15 years

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zimstarr wrote:
Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:37 am
Iis there a limit of the number of terms a chairman can do. It looks like mukuhlani will keep electing himself for the next 15 years
For all the whining and whinging we do, everyones very quiet when it comes to election time. The one time its possible to turf them properly, rigging notwithstanding.
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So Taylor acknowledged his wrong doing and ICC self celebrates its action….
I wonder if at ICC are poor NAIVES in power or are DANGEROUS INCOMPETENT.
Let’s stick to facts.
ICC claims it has stated a policy to effectively preserve cricket from corruption. In the past 5-10 years only a few cases have arisen and just few of organized corruptors have been prosecuted in court, one or two convicted.
This is not the tip of an iceberg, this is less than an atom in the body mass of an elephant.
So the effectiveness of ICC protocols to hamper corruption is between ridicolus and non existent. Hence we may agree that at ICC are simply naives in power.
I do not believe they are just naives. They maybe dangerous unfit.
Let’s see how harmful maybe the rule to report contact from a potential corruptor. There are two options: cricket betting is only a few coins back yard pastime or it is a mafia-like organized crime.
If cricket betting is just a hobby of “amateur bookmakers”, then ICC policy would be as ridiculous as whoever go hunting mosquitos with a machine gun.
Let’s instead assume that cricket betting is often run by several mafia-like organizations. Being the case, a cricketer approached by a corruptor MUST immediately report to ICC.
ICC defines him as a “cricketer”. Wrong! This person is no longer just a “cricketer”. He is a whistle blower witness.
If you want to play hardball against Mafia you MUST be equipped for. If you ask to (less affluent) players to disclose mafia attempts to you, then you MUST have first set an effective WITNESS PROTECTION protocol. Otherwise you expose player (and families) to mafia retaliation. They become mafia target, not ICC.
Has ICC resources to enforce the witness protection against consequences that ICC policy has generated? Of course not.
When you state a policy and you don’t know how to manage consequences, you are not excused for your naivity, you are harmful to society.

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andrea lanzoni wrote:
Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:26 pm
If you want to play hardball against Mafia you MUST be equipped for. If you ask to (less affluent) players to disclose mafia attempts to you, then you MUST have first set an effective WITNESS PROTECTION protocol. Otherwise you expose player (and families) to mafia retaliation. They become mafia target, not ICC.
That's a very important point.

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Well the trick is not to expose yourself to even the possibility of a conversation with anyone who you think may be dodgy.
I guess the possibility exists that players have just been told - you WILL do this, and if you don't, something bad is going to happen. But they're not likely to approach any old guy, it's going to be someone who they have done some homework on and who they think may be susceptible.
The problem with going to ICC if you've been approached surely is that you need proof, plus there needs to be prosecutable legislation. If you're dealing with proper mafia guys you're now at risk.
If you just go with an allegation with no corroborating evidence then they're not likely to harm u. Once they do start that shit then there's real trouble.
The problem the ICC have created is that you're obliged to report any attempts. You're damned if you do and potentially damned if you don't.
The ICC will surely have plenty of information on betting syndicates and their operatives. Why not supply pictures and information to teams?

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This is a good point and should have been the card BT played. Even if these were friends of his.
Something is still weird though.
Why aren’t these businessmen the centre of scandal in the media?
Why aren’t they arrested?
Why aren’t they named?
Why did they casually have a confidential interview with that journo who said ‘it was actually 40k’.
Seems like peopel are treating those guys with the ‘lol these Indian bookies, always up to crazy tricks’ vibe.
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Yeah, after all the investigation, why are the findings not passed on to the police? They surely contain some prosecutable actions.

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There's a case for all member and associate member nations getting together and having the same legislation, not only for players in breach, but also for the betting syndicates.
Some legislation whistles through parliaments in a week and other laws take years to implement with endless rereadings and debates with influential big money people lobbying and muddying the waters in the background.

You're never going to stop online betting. There's a strong case for legalising all betting and for a small percentage to go to ICC. It would literally equate to hundreds of millions of dollars per year. It would dwarf their current revenue stream. You'd have the age old problem of India demanding the bulk of it, but if ICC really wanted to level the playing field a little and giving poor boards decent money then this is it

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