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sam_ahm wrote:
Mon Jul 17, 2023 5:31 am


How exactly is Zimbabwe's performance poorer than all 11 Test playing nations and even a few associates?
Arguments can always be made for both sides. What you've stated are facts, no denying that. However, I will present the other side of the debate with another set of facts, no less true. The reader will have to decide for him or herself which set of facts makes a more compelling case.

Big games (ICC tournaments) matter. They matter more than bilaterals. In fact bilateral performances only start to matter when they establish a pattern over a prolonged period of time.

In the last 16 years, Zimbabwe have won 2 games in major ICC tournaments (2007 vs Australia and 2022 vs Pakistan). Ireland have won more (Pakistan, Bangladesh 2x, England, West Indies). Even Netherlands has won 2 (England, South Africa). Thats two Associate nations with equal or better performance. Bear in mind they get less money, and fewer fixtures than do Zimbabwe.

In 2018 an Associate (UAE) knocked ZIM out of WC contention, and in 2022 agian an Associate did the same (Scotland). In 2022, two Associates finished ahead of Zimbabwe (Netherlands and Scotland), regardless of bilateral series results, in a tournament where Zimbabwe had home field advantage.

In all ODIs, since 2004, Zimbabwe actually have a losing record (4 wins, 5 losses) vs Netherlands and Scotland. Against Ireland its 8-8.

The game vs Scotland was massive, just like the one vs UAE. I agree. But are you sure Ballance would have tipped the balance. Sean Williams came into the game in God mode...100+ average 150 strike rate. Sole finished him. The way he was bowling Ballance stood no chance. He's a career 25 average player, and most of those were played on the highways in England. Ballance was bad luck, but what about UAE 2018? In both tournaments, even I knew Zimbabwe had sealed qualification, only to lose it at the last moment. Happens once its bad luck, twice...?
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Kriterion_BD wrote:
Mon Jul 17, 2023 6:32 am
most of those were played on the highways in England.
Tell me you know nothing about cricket without telling me you know nothing about cricket :lol:


Anyway he averaged over 47 across a long career in the worlds best List A competition. No other Zim player would have had anywhere close to that including Williams.

I’m too bored of it to have the ‘Ballance wasn’t very good’ debate again. I thought Jonty was the only guy stupid enough to claim that

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Kriterion gets it wrong occasionally

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Googly wrote:
Mon Jul 17, 2023 9:39 am
Kriterion gets it wrong occasionally

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Still against basic science like hand washing and bathing too?
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If Williams had a county gig he would have bossed the Royal London and all previous incarnations and I won’t hear otherwise lol. He’s a classy guy and mixing it in England would have brought his game up a notch or two.

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Williams is an incredible cricketer, absolutely.

But he averages about 33 in domestic List A cricket in Zimbabwe I think. People find it hard to accept but Gary Ballance is/was a completely different level to anybody else in our system and was probably a better cricketer than the likes of Williams/Raza/Ervine/Taylor.

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Kriterion_BD wrote:
Sun Jul 16, 2023 9:20 pm

Nah, the BCCI has said the GOI is prohibiting them playing PAK…not advising them against it. Of course, that may or may nkt be true because India and Pak are playing bilaterally in many other sports. But taken at fave value, the BCCI’s statement is total gov intereference. But should the ICC ban India for that? I say no because obviously cricket without India is nkt cricket anymore. IMO.
Matters of international security would probably supersede a group staging a coup to take control of the board. ICC anti-government stance is there to protect the latter, not advise on security threats.

You are comparing oranges to watermelons and claiming they are the same size.

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It’s not an issue of security because they are hosting PAK for the World Cup game and doing so in the most hostile venue (Ahmedabad) in the most high profile event. This proves “security” is merely an excuse. The real reason is punitive and the BCCI says the direction is from their government orders (not advice).
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Kriterion_BD wrote:
Tue Jul 18, 2023 4:20 am
It’s not an issue of security because they are hosting PAK for the World Cup game and doing so in the most hostile venue (Ahmedabad) in the most high profile event. This proves “security” is merely an excuse. The real reason is punitive and the BCCI says the direction is from their government orders (not advice).
I don't think you're understanding the point and I can't be bothered trying to explain it if you can't see the differences.

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