Zimbabwe vs Bangladesh 1st ODI /2022 August 5

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sam_ahm wrote:
Sat Aug 06, 2022 5:20 am
slcricfan1 wrote:
Sat Aug 06, 2022 3:39 am
I`ve also begun to lost hope in the Regis experiment. He was good at the start and certainly has the ability but he just hasnt had the consistency required. Think he might be better in the middle order
Yes, at least one back up WKB is needed. Zimbabwe seem to have none atm. In fact if Regis retires then there literally no one to replace him.
Marumani and madande will be ok I guess but yeah obviously no proper world class keeper in the wings.

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slcricfan1 wrote:
Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:05 am
sam_ahm wrote:
Sat Aug 06, 2022 5:20 am
slcricfan1 wrote:
Sat Aug 06, 2022 3:39 am
I`ve also begun to lost hope in the Regis experiment. He was good at the start and certainly has the ability but he just hasnt had the consistency required. Think he might be better in the middle order
Yes, at least one back up WKB is needed. Zimbabwe seem to have none atm. In fact if Regis retires then there literally no one to replace him.
Marumani and madande will be ok I guess but yeah obviously no proper world class keeper in the wings.
If Zimbabwe can keep winning like now, then we can have a situation where many UK based players would want to return or at the very least the existing U19 players will hang around and seriously consider cricket as a career.

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They have to sort out the franchise squads. Reduce them in size and pay them a living wage 12 months of the year. As it stands the guys with potential have 4-6 months of very limited cash and then have to fend for themselves for the rest of the year. You're not going to get guys improving if that's what's on offer.

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I'm still skipping around at that ODI win. Beautiful!!

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Googly wrote:
Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:30 am
I'm still skipping around at that ODI win. Beautiful!!
Struggling with a really bad hangover this morning, I celebrate every win by sinking a few bottles.

Hopefully by the end of the year I’ll be barred from my local bar :lol:

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slcricfan1 wrote:
Sat Aug 06, 2022 3:39 am
I`ve also begun to lost hope in the Regis experiment. He was good at the start and certainly has the ability but he just hasnt had the consistency required. Think he might be better in the middle order
I'm surprised this hasn't been addressed earlier. He is 34 and I was looking at his stats. Averages 19 in ODI and 27 in Test. Not ideal for someone who is meant to be the starter.

Clearly Murray was meant to be the replacement but that has not worked, and its evident that our WK stocks are struggling.

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Well his test average is rather good when you consider he's batted at 7 most of his test career.

But sure, it's not working for him at the top of the order in white ball cricket at the moment. He's also captaining, keeping and opening - in 50 over cricket that's a lot of burden. Especially as he's on a run of poor fun. Probably needs to be dropped down the order. At the moment we are playing specialist bats like Shumba at 7 - which is very wasteful. Regis could go back to 6/7 - even just temporarily - whilst he is out of form. Unfortunately he hasn't been the same since that bad hand injury earlier this year.

If we had literally any other half decent keeper he'd have been dropped long ago. But we really do have literally no other option unless we go back to Mutumbami or take a punt on a very raw Madande. Have to hope Reggie finds some form soon. He's a good guy - one of the best - and I'm sure he's working hard to find some form.

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zimbos_05 wrote:
Sat Aug 06, 2022 8:18 am
slcricfan1 wrote:
Sat Aug 06, 2022 3:39 am
I`ve also begun to lost hope in the Regis experiment. He was good at the start and certainly has the ability but he just hasnt had the consistency required. Think he might be better in the middle order
I'm surprised this hasn't been addressed earlier. He is 34 and I was looking at his stats. Averages 19 in ODI and 27 in Test. Not ideal for someone who is meant to be the starter.

Clearly Murray was meant to be the replacement but that has not worked, and its evident that our WK stocks are struggling.
27 is pretty decent by Zimbabwean standards. Many keepers dont averavge above 35. But yeah that odi average is pretty poor. Of course theres caveats to it like he`s only improved rather lately and was batting very far down but yeah not very pretty. He is still a decent player though. probably on par with a guy like Ervine right now maybe? Still though, not ideal like you said

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secretzimbo wrote:
Sat Aug 06, 2022 8:26 am
Well his test average is rather good when you consider he's batted at 7 most of his test career.
Still not buying that. Considering that we have generally not always been a strong batting line up, he has had the opportunity to come in and hold an innings. There's many who bat at 7 with averages in the 40's.

I agree, coming in at 7 does make it harder, but I don't think it makes it too excusable.
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Sat Aug 06, 2022 8:52 am


27 is pretty decent by Zimbabwean standards. Many keepers dont averavge above 35. But yeah that odi average is pretty poor. Of course theres caveats to it like he`s only improved rather lately and was batting very far down but yeah not very pretty. He is still a decent player though. probably on par with a guy like Ervine right now maybe? Still though, not ideal like you said
We shouldn't be looking at zim standards. We should be looking at international standards. Perhaps we go, "by zim standards its fine" so we end up accepting it and that's why many of these players don't push on.

He's a decent player, but as a starter and vice captain, he needs to be more consistent.

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Re: Zimbabwe vs Bangladesh 1st ODI /2022 August 5

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zimbos_05 wrote:
Sat Aug 06, 2022 8:59 am
secretzimbo wrote:
Sat Aug 06, 2022 8:26 am
Well his test average is rather good when you consider he's batted at 7 most of his test career.
Still not buying that. Considering that we have generally not always been a strong batting line up, he has had the opportunity to come in and hold an innings. There's many who bat at 7 with averages in the 40's.

I agree, coming in at 7 does make it harder, but I don't think it makes it too excusable.
There's 'many' who bat at 7, and keep wicket, who average above 40? Nope, there's only a very small handful.... Matt Prior the only one I can think of in the past several decades.

I admire your high standards and expectations but it's unrealistic, I'd say ridiculous, to expect anyone who has grown up in our system, plays in our Logan Cup, has played through all the chaos of ZC etc to get anywhere near that average, let alone batting at 7 and taking the gloves.

Only Williams has an average in that region and he doesn't keep wicket, he bats up the order, and he's one of the most naturally talented players on Earth.


Anyway this doesn't matter as we haven't played a Test in 13 months and won't play one for another six months! In white ball he's terribly out of form, but he's better than any alternative (which is very worrying.....). Let's hope he gets a dose of the Houghton magic soon.

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