Zimbabwe Emerging Tour of South Africa

[sam_ahm]

Problem is that when FTP was getting finalised, Zimbabwe were in total mess. Hence no one really wanted to play against Zim, except for an odd series. I'm sure if FTP was to be prepared today, Zimbabwe would have got a better deal.

How do you figure that necessarily? ZIM actually did worse at the 2023 WCQ (4th place) than in 2018 (3rd place) in terms of where they finished. In both tournaments they were knocked out by a team that itself did not qualify for the WC. For most outsiders, the end results still look very much the same.

It's a no brainer. Zimbabwe in 2023 is better respected than Zimbabwe in May 2022. Yes, people look at the results and that is exactly why they would have got a better deal. Why are you only talking about WCQ? And even here Zimbabwe won more games than in 2018.

2019 they were not even part of T20WCQ but in 2022 they qualified and even made it to the main Super 12 round and then beat the eventual runners up.

I mean I need not even repeat this all over again, we all know the results of ZCT over the last 15 months and of you even remotely follow ZC you'd know they are far better than preceding years.

Going by your logic, since Bangladesh have more or less done the same in every WC (failed to make the Semi Finals even once) we should consider that Bangladesh cricket has not progressed at all in last 20 years?

You are a good member who generally posts good stuff, I don't know what's wrong with you these days!

[Pat_Bee]

Zimdesh really, getting beat in both the t20 and ODI series last year against a Zimbabwe side that’s allegedly worse than the 2018 side.

That 2018 side had BT who was doing lines the size of the popping crease and seeing it like a beach ball. There’s no competing with that, clean cut Raza and Williams running the show. Easy to see how we did do worse.

[Kriterion_BD]

Going by your logic, since Bangladesh have more or less done the same in every WC (failed to make the Semi Finals even once) we should consider that Bangladesh cricket has not progressed at all in last 20 years?

Thats actually exactly correct. No one cares about all the bilaterals that Bangladesh have won the past few years if they are only going to finish the World Cup in 8th place. So what if they beat Australia 3-0 at home before or after that? Its time for something new otherwise the legacy of Shakib, Tamim, and Mushfiq will be that they won 5 or 6 Tests against top teams, a bunch of ODI series, and always finished around 8th place in a World Cup.

[sam_ahm]

Going by your logic, since Bangladesh have more or less done the same in every WC (failed to make the Semi Finals even once) we should consider that Bangladesh cricket has not progressed at all in last 20 years?

Thats actually exactly correct. No one cares about all the bilaterals that Bangladesh have won the past few years if they are only going to finish the World Cup in 8th place. So what if they beat Australia 3-0 at home before or after that? Its time for something new otherwise the legacy of Shakib, Tamim, and Mushfiq will be that they won 5 or 6 Tests against top teams, a bunch of ODI series, and always finished around 8th place in a World Cup.

No, that's not correct because Bangladesh is far more respected now than they were, say in 2003, and hence get fixtures against all the big nations. Isn't that obvious? And they've done well to achieve that.

Same way Zimbabwe can get better fixtures if they, at least, keep a decent bilaterals record.

Other than PCB, BCB has also been very supportive of Zimbabwe cricket along with SLC.

[Kriterion_BD]

No, that's not correct because Bangladesh is far more respected now than they were, say in 2003

Respected by whom exactly?

They haven’t toured England since 2010 or Australia since 2003. Haven’t played either in a bilateral Test in 6-7 years.

I can’t complain too much because we are probably respected at the SL/WI level and overall that’s about where we stand. No complaints there.

Bilateral wins are good but only because they have been consistent for 7-8 years now, but even then, the perception of Bangladesh hasn’t changed much in England Australia or India. And that’s the only thing that really matters.

[jontym87]

So the SA Emerging Side will be a stand alone team in the CSA One Day Cup (a List A Competition). This is what we call progressive thinking not what ZC did sending international capped players masquerading as ‘emerging’ players.

Mayibongwe Maketa will be leading the SA Emerging Squad in the One Day Cup this season

Justin Sammons & Paul Adams will be joining him

Their 1st fixture starts today at 10 am v Knights at Bloem #CSAOneDayCup

Some here supported them. With that kind of mentality that’s why cricket in zimbabwe will never go anywhere. You will win a few games (flatter to deceive) then boom crucial moment you get disappointed they fail to qualify. It’s now two straight ODI World Cups no appearance. If you ever think Zim will qualify again with the current system and setup in place think again and get mental help.

Y’all support nonsense care about results that in the long run means fokol. You were satisfied that a team with 8/9 capped won one or two games against South African Kids who don’t even have experience . What did it benefit Zim Cricket apart from the embarrassment of ultimately losing the series.

Those supporting the nonsense at ZC y’all full of shit, lack exposure to decent development cricket setups. All you do is make noise but yet know nothing.

If you’re offended you can shout at me all you want but this doesn’t change anything and I don’t give a fuck I’m likely not going to read your comments. I only read and reply to a few cricketing brains here.

[Googly]

There aren't enough decent players to pick an Emerging squad that could compete with SA emerging, that's the sad fact.
ZC policies over the last 20 years have contributed to that and cricket has lost traction at schoolboy level.
Resurrecting that would take years of good governance before boys felt they could put in the time to become good players. The first step is age group cricket, and it has to be well managed, not buy a spot with some kit and a chicken burger.
Everything hinges on the national side doing moderately well. Always has and always will.

If you consider 5 franchises with 60 decent players, take 25 out that are in the national side or capped that only leaves 35 players to make up an A side and an Emerging side. We don't have the numbers to send in unblooded players aged from 19-23 so your expectations are a bit unrealistic.

[jontym87]

There aren't enough decent players to pick an Emerging squad that could compete with SA emerging, that's the sad fact.
ZC policies over the last 20 years have contributed to that and cricket has lost traction at schoolboy level.
Resurrecting that would take years of good governance before boys felt they could put in the time to become good players. The first step is age group cricket, and it has to be well managed, not buy a spot with some kit and a chicken burger.
Everything hinges on the national side doing moderately well. Always has and always will.

If you consider 5 franchises with 60 decent players, take 25 out that are in the national side or capped that only leaves 35 players to make up an A side and an Emerging side. We don't have the numbers to send in unblooded players aged from 19-23 so your expectations are a bit unrealistic.

Expectations are realistic. For example at Eagles with Chris Silverwood we had main Franchise side and the 2nd XI plus a development/u19 side. That’s already a pool of 50 players. Chris Silverwood had overall responsibility of the 3 sides and appointed his own assistants when he is not available. He was a work horse and hands on. All players with full contracts we distributed to local clubs to balance the teams and improve competition in the Vigne Cup. If one was not on Franchise duty one had to play club cricket and if you don’t you was going to be sanctioned.

Other franchises had first team and 2nd XI sides. The franchise 2nd XI league was strong (Raza played in that for a while). Thats when players like Kuda Munyede, Tatenda Mupunga, Mark Mbofana, Tatenda Manatsa, were unearthed. You just need cricketing brains to implement this and improve the quality of coaching. Send local coaches to SA for refreshers courses or bring expert coaches to do refresher courses for local coaches to improve their knowledge.

[Pat_Bee]

All I hear is blah, blah, blah lol