Zimbabwe vs Pakistan 2nd ODI November 26th 2024

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sloandog wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2024 3:16 pm
I still don't think Wez should be classed as a passenger. Like Googly said, he is immensely talented and just needs time away from the international spotlight.

Frank Mawoza is the epitome of what is wrong with Zimbabwean Cricket. A man (if we can call him that) with very little cricketing knowledge in a position of leadership who has a chip on his shoulder.

Keep nibbling Frank, you're wonderful entertainment. Laughing stock
Well it's not really entertainment. It's horribly toxic.
As usual they blame others for exactly what they are guilty of themselves. They've set cricket back 20 years or more. We're literally in last chance saloon, there are no other cricketers coming thru and they've got a couple of years to try and turn it around. It's probably too late but stop pretending to try and actually try .

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When I say entertaining I'm more referring to the fact he's making a complete tit of himself online, not the actual subject of his dribble

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Re: Zimbabwe vs Pakistan 2nd ODI November 26th 2024

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Normal service resumed. Judging by Pakistans innings, it was a batter friendly wicket, so how are we so terrible and batting. What exactly are players doing in training and the off season?

I didn't realise our last ODI was in January. That is actually quite shambolic. Surely ZC should have arranged some A tours at least or they need to hold ICC to some higher accountability. We can't go a whole year without international cricket. We truly have fallen into the associate level.

As for Frank and TM and their cronies, they just keep using the same excuses and pretending like they are doing something because they have no integrity or care. They couldn't care less if ZC fell apart. The moment the money and the fancy overseas trips dry up, they will all just jump ship and ditch it. They only care about Takashinga and not about the actual sport or the team. Not to mention that they have their puppets in Larry and that other journo dude who never ask the tough questions or put pressure on them to hold to some account.

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zimbos_05 wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2024 9:09 pm
Normal service resumed. Judging by Pakistans innings, it was a batter friendly wicket
Total road by all accounts. Same deck Thursday apparently. Boys just need to bat for time. Bat 50 overs and the runs will come. 260 might be par, that’s not even 6.0 an over.

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Pat_Bee wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2024 9:58 pm
zimbos_05 wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2024 9:09 pm
Normal service resumed. Judging by Pakistans innings, it was a batter friendly wicket
Total road by all accounts. Same deck Thursday apparently. Boys just need to bat for time. Bat 50 overs and the runs will come. 260 might be par, that’s not even 6.0 an over.
I think Clive for Gumbie and Bennet is moved up the order with Craig opening..
Gwandu out for Maposa..
Mavuta out for Akram .. I know its unpoplar but welly in not in the squad..
Mavuta gives us nothing , at least Akram can bat and he can contain runs as bowler without wickets though..

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Re: Zimbabwe vs Pakistan 2nd ODI November 26th 2024

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A few weeks ago I saw someone asking people to name their best 30 players in the system. It was a good exercise because it showed that we probably only have about 30 decent guys. The lists were similar. It was probably about 23 until maybe 12 months ago. This is the real problem but I guess the focus should be on making those 30 guys not worry about finances and play.

There shouldn't be any sacred cows amongst those 30. It's very easy to build on different squads for the different formats as well. If the selectors come and say Wes has performed well opening in T20s before and we want to give him a 3 series run that's ok. We want him to succeed. Everyone knows he is talented. If he fails we are not saying throw him in the bin. We are saying give someone else out of the 30 players a chance and let's see how they do over 9 games whilst Wes works on his game.

We have seen someone like Gumbie show some fight at international level even though his stats aren't the best domestically. It shows that some guys just have the right mentality and technique and we should be working with them. It's the same reason why they might feel Campbell might not make it. I have been here for a few years myself and many people here thought he wouldn't make it as well but still he deserved a go.

What we should not be doing in 2024 is giving someone 50 games with no results. We have options. My personal favourite to be given 10 games is Kaitano. Others are also justified to say Welch deserves a chance. Some say Mufudza. Let's give others a fair chance please

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As your correctly put it, we have a small group, well large actually in Zimbabwean terms of 30 players. Who arent really worlds apart. Picking one or the other wont really give you much of a difference. Playing Pakistan to some extend has showed how the level of our domestic cricket is. People who were making runs for fun in the franchise games cant even buy a run. Gwandu has found himself in way outside his depth. We last played an ODI in January so you can throw away any concept of continuity there. I get the reason why Raza seemingly has no interest in playing test cricket. We really have to move with the times and play horses for courses. Thats the little we can do and it will definitely give some players some measure of confidence playing formats they a more comfortable with rather than asking them to reinvent themselves when you have a player sitting the the wings who can play the same role. Imagine having Musekiwa in an ODI team with no stats to back his selection just a reputation of being a big hitter. To finish what exactly when you can even build an innings.
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That 30 list thing was mentioned on Larry's podcast with Darlington Matambanadzo who has the distinction of introducing Bvute to cricket. There's some info on Darlington on this forum. Talented guy but turned to drink and messed his career. It's a common theme- become a Chosen One and take your foot off the pedal, almost every time post 2000.

Wouldn't it be good to see who's on Central Contract and what they're getting. I'd be massively surprised if it was as much as 10 players.
An A franchise contract is 500 plus match fees. Probably comes to about a 1000 a month after tax and there's probably 5 guys on that countrywide. That would be if they played every game. That's for the 4 month season only. The rest of the year they have to catch rats. One good bat costs about 500 bucks :lol:
Everyone else can't buy 3 square meals a day for themselves, never mind wife,kids and dependants.
Hence the sadza and one piece of road kill at $1 a meal.

So the players, who are the heart and soul of this endeavour are getting royally f☆ed. Compare this to admin. If Frank gets more than someone like Chatara or even the up and coming guys then the system is completely and utterly broken. We so desperately need transparency and accountability.
The players pray for 30 guys to be able to live like humans. It's annoying when the bosses arrive in fancy cars and pointy shoes when you've just had to swallow a barbecued field rat. We're in one of the few places where that's accepted in glum resignation.


I disagree with the different squads for different formats. Most of the good players are comfortable in all formats. We don't have anywhere near enough good players to have different squads. Maybe a couple err towards one brand of cricket, but that's it.

What we do need is to have 30 guys getting a year round salary. It just ain't gonna happen. A good QS at the Batonka stadium would save millions, but of course that's not the intention :lol:

These guys will pull stats from two years ago or 2 days ago depending on who we're talking about.

Frank and Co are stuck on the 2 year thing. That does equate to about 9 games against the good sides. Stats against Mozambique honestly shouldn't count.

I see Larry blowing smoke about Dion, our once a generational talent - he could have Andy Flower numbers....if he wanted to.
They repeat the same mistakes ad nauseum. Well of course he wants to but if you put him on a pedestal and he doesn't have the mind for it he's gonna crash.
Dion will dodge that, but he's not a once a generation talent, he's just a really good player that needs to stay grounded and continue to work hard that could go on and do well for us. Unfortunately he needs 10 other guys to do the same or it's a bit pointless :lol:

Already they're panicking about yesterday's thrashing. Just hold your nerve and persevere with that team. Maybe TG needs to be replaced. Give Faraz a game. If they make a flat pitch then maybe Brandon as well. That's all. Leave the batters alone.
Overlord is one of the few guys that looks solid at international level, he may not have the numbers but he looks organised, give him a bit of time. He's on thin ice and shouldn't be, he's a better opener than Maru. Opening is tough.

That flat pitch thing- we never win on a flat pitch. We win low scoring thrillas.

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It's so hard to try and make a point without casting aspersions on a player, and I really hate doing that because it's just not cool. Everyone is doing their best, maybe some guys prepare a lot better than others, I don't know most of these national guys' work ethic, but I assume it's pretty good.

Anyway having said that maybe next series find room for Madande and Musekiwa. They're firmly part of the long term plan, but they keep getting hidden with a game here or there down the order. These are the guys that they can hide for years and keep better players out, and thats firmly the intention. Give them game time front and centre so we can see.
A front line batsman doing well in franchise is better than these two guys all day. They can bat up or down. These guys however will struggle to bat up because they've had very limited exposure there.

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Re: Zimbabwe vs Pakistan 2nd ODI November 26th 2024

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Post the 30 player list, Taps. Let's get that dialled in.

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