Post world cup blooding players

[ZIMDOGGY]

Lucrative County Contract this and that.

I hear this bandied around all the time.

Im not saying its untrue, but i question just how lucrative is it?

Im almost certain people say it without knowing and its just accepted thinking, but i see evidence that it isnt that entirely lucrative as it is stable and easy to crack (easy by top 4 test nation standards).

I'm really curious to know.

[Googly]

Each county can only play one overseas player at a time in the FC and List A, two in the T20’s. It’s far from easy to get a gig from what I can see. Everyone wants to play and the counties can pick and choose.
I’m speculating about what they earn, someone like Sanga probably got around 150k for a season, others probably get around 8-10k a month.
The senior locals are probably on 6-10k on average.
Guys starting out are probably 2-4 depending on whether they’re on a 1,2 or 3 year contract.
It’s far from lucrative for the “average” county player, and it’s a most stressful existence because you have to perform in a highly competitive environment.
There are about 4 really wealthy counties and the rest struggle big time and rely a lot on the ECB.
Always a good indication of how well off they are is the size of their squads and Academy boys and coaching staff and back-up personnel.
A squad of 24-26 means big county.
A squad of 16-20 and not a full team of Academy boys means money is tight.

[jaybro]

Looking at young batsman on the domestic scene is really concerning we’ve all seen Chari, Tari, Burl, Mutombodzi & Moor ( In ODI’s ) probably aren’t up to international standard yet or at least ready to contribute like guys like Hami, Williams, Raza and Ervine. If we were to miss qualification and we lose all these guys we will be in big trouble especially in Test cricket.

Even if those guys come good we simply do not have enough good young guys on the domestic scene so I think it’s important we try to bring some guys back.

Welch
Byrom
Ives
Lake

Those guys are from what I’ve heard / seen are the best young batsman we have, guys like Roche & Shumba are also there but I think they’re a bit fresh still for international cricket.

Welch and Byrom would be ideal but as Googly said if they were to play another 2-3 years in County cricket then come back it would actually be more beneficial for Zimbabwe.

I would definitely look to start playing Murray in ODI’s and Tests, surely he could do as good a job as what Waller is doing.

[TapsC]

Lucrative County Contract this and that.

I hear this bandied around all the time.

Im not saying its untrue, but i question just how lucrative is it?

Im almost certain people say it without knowing and its just accepted thinking, but i see evidence that it isnt that entirely lucrative as it is stable and easy to crack (easy by top 4 test nation standards).

I'm really curious to know.

I have always questioned this. Taylor killed that myth for me when he said he always made more money playing for Zim. I honestly think If I had a fair chance of cracking the team like Byrom does up the order I would pack my bags especially if we make the world cup. That's guaranteed cricket for 5 years if you count the ODI league. I honestly think you are better off being a regular national player for Zim than starting off in the county circuit.

You can probably get a contract for about $2500 intially. Chamu came back with some form and almost walked away until they gave him a decent contract in 2015. If you are Byrom he could probably ask for around $4k to come back. He has bargaining power. Match fees are $1k for an ODI so think how much you can make in a year with a world cup and the ODI league kicking in plus your contract. To me that sounds better than 2/3k a month

I think it only makes sense to stay in county cricket if you have a real chance of cracking the English team otherwise I think financially you are better off playing for a team like Zimbabwe even. Don't forget that international exposure you get in Bangladesh Sri Lanka etc. You have a better chance of securing a t20 gig than if you were just an average county player.

[tawac]

Guys like Mutombodzi, Madziva, Jongwe, Kunje, Kasuza, Kaia who have been around the domestic set up for a while would surely be in and amongst a post world cup 19 team when some of the older fellas move on.

[Googly]

I think one of the off-putting things is the time you have to do in franchise. Firstly there aren’t enough games, then they barely ever finish a season anyway, so how do you get a chance to get some continuity to your game and put some scores together? I don’t know how long PJ and Burl spent twiddling their thumbs in Kwekwe playing for MidWest Rhinos. There’s no doubt that guys like Murray who leap frogged players that have been around a while must have caused some disgruntlement amongst existing players. Plus if it takes 2-3 years at $200 a month on an occasional franchise salary how are you getting anyone back here? The entire system is messed up.

I wonder if they realize that when 3 or more guys step aside after the WC or perhaps sooner if our qualification campaign falters our national side is in deep trouble with the batting, and it’s not too shiny now.
We’ve got Tari, Ryan and PJ who may step up, but they’re hardly setting it alight just yet. We were all expecting (not hoping) them to do better than they have so far.
Whatever that little bit extra that is required to get them playing well at international level is currently eluding them.
What is actually the difference between Markram and Mire for example? One guy is destined for a fantastic international career and the other is amongst our many frustrating talents that is just not quite there. I’d have to say there’s not much difference between their natural abilities with the bat. One guy will just have slightly better shot selection and perhaps better focus, but the reality is that there’s not much in it, but it translates into something quite significant. It’s baffling.
What would Markram’s career be like if you picked him up and dropped him in Harare? Or vice versa. I ponder that as well.

[Googly]

Guys like Mutombodzi, Madziva, Jongwe, Kunje, Kasuza, Kaia who have been around the domestic set up for a while would surely be in and amongst a post world cup 19 team when some of the older fellas move on.

That’s the problem, with respect to these guys they’re not going to set it alight. They’re decent, but it’s not enough.

[tawac]

That’s the problem, with respect to these guys they’re not going to set it alight. They’re decent, but it’s not enough.

Madziva has set it alight a couple of times. Won us a few games while at it.

[TapsC]

Our domestic scene needs to improve. This is why when the thread about which country would be an attractive choice to play i tried to make people imagine someone with natural ability like Tari being in the S.A. domestic system for a while. He would be a far better player. Our end product is really poor most of the time but the talent is there.

Maybe the idea of cutting the franchise system to just 3 might be the way to go. I know it sounds bizarre at first but are we not better with 3 professional setups which function all the way down to u13 level? It's a tough decision but there is a lot of dead weight on the domestic scene anyway.

I thought about it and I think if we have 3 franchise setups. Let's say Mashonaland Matebeleland and Manicaland. We use the thousands used on the rhinos to create a proper club scene for those 3 franchises. Make it really difficult for guys to make it to the top. No doubt you will create better individual players. The rising stars would still exist for me but not as a first class side. Maybe it would need a B league to function properly as well

A young player will then aim to play for a club then rising stars tour will kind of be like an audition for the 3 franchises where you make their B team and then their main squad then the Zim A team then the senior side.

[Googly]

Not bad.