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chakabva is not in odl squad..Taylor to keep wickets..jongwe should play..chisoro should play instead of burl..chisoro brings wickets against small oppositions like Bangladesh,afganistan & ireland

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Bangladesh will score 63 more runs to give Zimbabwe 300+ target around 75 -80 overs remaining. If it happens, Zim should go for winning rather then defending for a draw.

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The fact that Kaitano faced 300 plus balls and did not get a century says a lot. Yes he was our highest scorer and held up an end, but he can't bat at too slow a rate.

I'm ok with us asking for more tests and arranging more, but we have to actually be improving in them and not just playing them as block fests. This tactic is not helping us at all. I really do not understand what Rajput is doing.

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zimbos_05 wrote:
Sat Jul 10, 2021 4:55 am
I'm ok with us asking for more tests and arranging more, but we have to actually be improving in them and not just playing them as block fests. This tactic is not helping us at all. I really do not understand what Rajput is doing.
I don'et think its Rajput. Guys like Mawoyo, Prince, Kasuza, and now Kaitano bat at 35 strike rates because they are limited in terms of stroke play. You don't have to take risks to tap the ball into gaps and pinch singles, and if you do that, you can't have a strike rate of less than 40. Now that doesn't mean you try to launch every ball for 6 like Taylor did going at a run a ball. There is a middle way where you can have a strike rate of 45-60 without taking undue risk.
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zimbos_05 wrote:
Sat Jul 10, 2021 4:55 am
The fact that Kaitano faced 300 plus balls and did not get a century says a lot. Yes he was our highest scorer and held up an end, but he can't bat at too slow a rate.

I'm ok with us asking for more tests and arranging more, but we have to actually be improving in them and not just playing them as block fests. This tactic is not helping us at all. I really do not understand what Rajput is doing.
Coach can't make a batsman learn aggression in his batting. Its naturally developed. If the ball eating, player is forced to increase run rate, he will hit a rash short and gave away his wicket

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Don't agree with either of those statements.

Coach is definitely responsible for developing players shots and technique. The coach is then also responsible for discussing mentality and adopting a mindset.

The guys may have limited stroke range, so it is the responsibility of the coaching staff to work on developing the range and increasing it.

Player may not be aggression based, so it is responsibility of coaching staff to utilise the mentality of the player to work on their scoring rate, scoring zones, and ability to move the ball around the field.

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zimbos_05 wrote:
Sat Jul 10, 2021 5:31 am
Don't agree with either of those statements.

Coach is definitely responsible for developing players shots and technique. The coach is then also responsible for discussing mentality and adopting a mindset.

The guys may have limited stroke range, so it is the responsibility of the coaching staff to work on developing the range and increasing it.

Player may not be aggression based, so it is responsibility of coaching staff to utilise the mentality of the player to work on their scoring rate, scoring zones, and ability to move the ball around the field.
International coaches - ideally speaking - are supposed to be primarily man managers and maybe work out specific tactics and plans. Players at this level are supposed to already have their technique perfected coming up the age group and domestic levels. At least this is how it is in the top 4-5 countries. Players for teams like BD and ZIM often have a lot of technical issues that need sorting, but by the time players are in the early to mid 20s, much of that has become hardwired.

Batting coaches for a team like India for example are there primarily to make very slight adjustments to a player's technique. They aren't supposed to be teaching the basics or fundementals.
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Kriterion_BD wrote:
Sat Jul 10, 2021 5:47 am

International coaches - ideally speaking - are supposed to be primarily man managers and maybe work out specific tactics and plans. Players at this level are supposed to already have their technique perfected coming up the age group and domestic levels. At least this is how it is in the top 4-5 countries. Players for teams like BD and ZIM often have a lot of technical issues that need sorting, but by the time players are in the early to mid 20s, much of that has become hardwired.

Batting coaches for a team like India for example are there primarily to make very slight adjustments to a player's technique. They aren't supposed to be teaching the basics or fundementals.
That's not true. George Bailey, Hashim Amla, Aaron Finch, Moises Henriques, Mitchell Johnson have all had technique changes well into their careers.

Yes coaches are more tactics and plans, but they still work on techniques and perfecting their players. It does not just stop. If you see something wrong or not working, you don't just throw your hands in the air and go, "oh well, he is 25, can't change that now"

A lot of Zim players could develop so well if small adjustments were made, but if we are just going to accept that nothing can be done, then we might as well all just stop, pack up and go home.

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This strike rate thing is nauseating. He's on debut for goodness's sake. In fact, after he reached about 65 or so, he had actually begun rotating the strike pretty regularly, only to see a slew of wickets fall at the other end and the incomning batsmen not reciprocating Kaitano's strike rotation. So, he had to reassess.

In comparison, Grant Flower's whole career strike rate was 34. His debut innings also had a strike rate similar to that of Kaitano.

Both Mawoyo and Heath Streak ended with career strike rates of 37, despite Streak being known as an aggressive hitter. He used it to good effect when he was playing with the tailenders, and of course in ODIs, where it was necessary. Otherwise, he was as watchful as Mawoyo.

I can't remember one Zimbabwean opener with a decent career being regularly better with strike rate in our entire history in tests. Possibly an in-form Campbell and Hamilton come to mind, but even they would have played in the 40-50 range at best.

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For this format Williams is more important than Taylor now. I'm surprised that they didnt push Regis up the order and play Gumbie instead of Maruma. Regis is a senior batsman

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