ZIMBABWE(A) VS IRELAND, AFGHANISTAN & BANGDLADESH A

[jaybro]

Maruma has been given plenty of chances batting in the middle order for Zimbabwe where according to you is the best place to bat, the guy averages 9 c'mon not even your deluded mind could think he is an international quality batsman. Malcolm has a great first class record so don't know what you're on about ?

Stop referring to Maruma the spinner he doesn't bowl anymore so his impressive stats in first class cricket might as well be forgotten unless he starts bowling again .......


Malcolm averages 37.5 in Logan cup cricket

Maruma averages 29.5 ....

I actually think we shouldn't be looking at Malcolm for a middle order spot but just pointing out you're tirade against him is getting boring and your points are irrelevant considering your support for Maruma who is easily the worse player of spin I've ever seen in my life considering he is a batsman. I remember the Pakistan series from 2013 even the locals were jeering him because he was so out of his depth .......

[bavuma_rabada]

Maruma has been given plenty of chances batting in the middle order for Zimbabwe where according to you is the best place to bat,

I didn;t bring up Malcolm. You did in your question directed at me. Many people here have acknowledged that Malcolm isn;t cut out fo this level.

You can use all the carrer cumulative stats you want but it won't change the fact that Malcolm has been in horrific form over the last two years - in international or domestic cricket. (Ironic how you use career stats and yet refuse to do the same with Maruma's bowling purely because he bowls less. Technically speaking Malcolm doesn't bat much either, he comes in at number 8 yet doesn't bowl! )

If Malcolm Waller get 70 odd internatonal matches, and Maruma has just 8 in ODIs as a batsman in several positions, and according to you just 3 innings in the middle order is plenty of chances then I can't help you. Let's agree to disagree and leave it at that. there is no way I'm winning that argument.

[jaybro]

Maruma has had more than 3 innings in the middle order I thought the King of all stats would know this

We can talk about Maruma's bowling if he were bowling but he isn't so let me know when he does .....

You have been smashing Malcolm at any chance on numerous threads I even called you out on it comparing it to the in fair criticism Matsi cops but you didn't bother to reply, don't run and hide like a coward you're very out spoken about Malcolm when no one is really calling for his inclusion ......

Facts you're the first person to cry when someone gets stuck into Matsi which I even backed you up but you have no issue dishing out post after post after post attacking Malcolm why is this ?

[bavuma_rabada]

Maruma has had more than 3 innings in the middle order

Then it shouldn't be too difficult for you to prove that then. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... ew=innings

Matsi cops but you didn't bother to reply, don't run and hide like a coward you're very out spoken about Malcolm when no one is really calling for his inclusion ......

Facts you're the first person to cry when someone gets stuck into Matsi which I even backed you up but you have no issue dishing out post after post after post attacking Malcolm why is this ?

Matsi fights his own battles on the pitch http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... tournament

[jaybro]

that link shows Maruma has an ODI average of 9 which I pointed out

I reckon at least 10 of those innings have been as a batsman not a bowler .......

[Flakeman]

Neither are cut out for international cricket in my opinion. But Maruma is definately worse than Waller.

[brmtaylor.com admin]

There's no point comparing Maruma to our other spinners. The others are in a different league altogether. Let's pick a series where they all played, like: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... tournament

Price 5 wickets (4 games)
Utseya 4 wickets (4 games)
Cremer 2 wickets (1 game)
Maruma 1 wicket (1 game)

I remember the match Cremer played too, he was absolutely superb. Turning it at right angles; the batsmen had no idea how to play him. It was clear he was supremely talented, and in fact it was that match which shot him into limited overs reckoning (he was man of the series in Kenya in the next series and has been an integral part of the side across all formats ever since).

[bavuma_rabada]

Stop reducing this to a Malcolm vs Maruma thing or maruma vs Cremer thing. Maruma deserves to be part of the squads tried out in this period, and to be given a long run just as any of those other guys I listed would expect.

Malcolm Waller on the other hand does not deserve to be in those squads or the national team because he has not repaid the faith after 68 internationals and long spells touring and playing and being coached in the squad with fellow internationals.

What is wrong with the reasoning I have put forward. Just the other day you yourself BRM acknowledged that fact. Maruma has been messed around and deserves a fair run.

As for comparing their bowling, it makes no sense.
6 of Maruma's first 8 ODIs were against South Africa(2), Sri Lanka(1), West indies(3).
8 of Cremer's first 8 ODIs were against Kenya(6) and Bangladesh(2)

This thread is about around 20 players and the teams they will face. Stop derailing it to try and justify why Malcolm should be there because he has no leg to stand on - domestic or international FC, List A, Twenty20, Tests. ODIs, T20s! If anyone wants to discuss Cremer this is the thread. Graeme Cremer is useless and overrated!!! As for Malcolm Waller I think he has had a couple of threads too about his strange presence in the squads. If I was picking anyone for attitude and trying despite limited talent he would be the first name on the team. But the reality is he has been commentned on several times by many people, and the overwhelming point is that he is not good enough, and has proved that countless times. Others are beign accused of not being good enough. Let's check back after 60ODIs.

These are the guys. Discuss them all. Here or elsewhere. If anything I think you're the ones sounding prejudiced towards Maruma.

[brmtaylor.com admin]

Why are you disregarding Cremer and Maruma's T20I record?

By your logic it makes for a fairer comparison because Maruma has bowled against weak teams and Cremer has bowled against more talented teams.

[bavuma_rabada]

Why are you disregarding Cremer and Maruma's T20I record?

By your logic it makes for a fairer comparison because Maruma has bowled against weak teams and Cremer has bowled against more talented teams.

Where in my T20 squads have you seen me put in Maruma after he played T20s?