A look back - Kenya vs Zimbabwe 2006

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Re: A look back - Kenya vs Zimbabwe 2006

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Oh it was SL and ZIM that they had beaten? For some reason I thought it was SL and IND. Guess India lost to Kenya in 96.

How was ZIM as a team in the late 90s to early 2000s? Were they the 9th ranked team at the time or were they in the top 8?

For many years, Kenya were 10th on the ODI tables and Bangladesh was 11th. We didnt get past Kenya till 2006 and probably didnt pass Zimbabwe in the rankings till...
No clue when actually.
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Kenya beat the Windies in the 96 WC, I can't remember them beating India at a WC .....

I'm not sure if Zim ever passed 9th on the rankings but they were definitely a better side, India often invited them for tours tests and odi's and they toured every country even England on a few occasions. The high point of Zimbabwean cricket would have to of been either making the super sixes of the 99 WC where they beat RSA and India or when England toured Zimbabwe and then coach David Lloyd claimed before the series that the English would "murder" the Zimbabweans on the field. It turned out to be 3-0 Zimbabwe in the ODI's and two drawn tests .....

Could you ever imagine Zimbabwe beating RSA and India to make the next stage of a World Cup ? Or white washing England in an ODI series ?? This is why we call those years the glory years .....
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brmtaylor.com admin wrote:Something I posted in another thread reminded me of this series: http://www.espncricinfo.com/zimvkenya/e ... 38143.html

full members they didn't even do score updates.
The only place that was doing score updates was the BBC website believe it or not. Every 15 overs or so.

Duffin came out of nowhere to become captain. Basically off the back of one half century in a Test... that's how low the bar was set. To put that in perspective, Chari has made a half century. Can you imagine him by virtue of that one achievement being considered a captaincy candidate?
When I read that, I spat out my coffee and punched the monitor and now there's a hairline crack in it. Shame on you! Wash your mouth out NOW.

Duffin wasnt made captain just because he made one half fifty. Heaps of players did that.
Dufffin was elevated to captaincy because he was a leader of men. He was white and had that calm, clever demeanour that only the white guys have.

It is a shame he drifted away, I believe that if he was still in the system now he would be our test skipper opening the batting still.

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Zimbabwe did indeed pass 9th in the ODI rankings. The 2000 ICC KnockOut Trophy in fact reflected this when Zimbabwe were seeded straight to the Quarterfinals while India, Sri Lanka, England, and the West Indies were forced to qualify first.

Also there were a few other occasions in the 90s when Zimbabwe were ranked ahead of India and England who were both pretty terrible.

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Zimbabwe was at the lowest point at that time.

There was another period I can't remember the year when Stuart Matsikenyeri with a blistering and mammoth ODI average of 20 was a certain in the XI, that too in the top order and with more than 70-80 ODIs under his belt.

Terrence Duffin, I used to rate him for longer version and he is someone who could have added value in the domestic cricket. 34 he is, wish he could be brought back for guiding the young domestic players.

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Detective RDS wrote:Zimbabwe was at the lowest point at that time.

There was another period I can't remember the year when Stuart Matsikenyeri with a blistering and mammoth ODI average of 20 was a certain in the XI, that too in the top order and with more than 70-80 ODIs under his belt.
Pretty sure Matsi was averaging in the teens well into 2006.

I guess we can count ourselves lucky that these days a guy like Chigumbura who we think is on the chopping block, at least averages 25.

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brmtaylor.com admin wrote:
Detective RDS wrote:Zimbabwe was at the lowest point at that time.

There was another period I can't remember the year when Stuart Matsikenyeri with a blistering and mammoth ODI average of 20 was a certain in the XI, that too in the top order and with more than 70-80 ODIs under his belt.
Pretty sure Matsi was averaging in the teens well into 2006.

I guess we can count ourselves lucky that these days a guy like Chigumbura who we think is on the chopping block, at least averages 25.
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Thanks Detective RDS! I like to hear your views as well.
It's always an exciting time whenever Zimbabwe play a Test series, it's just a shame they are so few and far between.

Test cricket is where heroes are made. Not that there aren't awesome performances in limited overs games, but Tests are where a player proves himself. Which is why I think it's so cool when someone like Graeme Cremer - who we've always known had the potential to be a superstar - cements his position as a Zimbabwe great by grinding out an incredible hundred.

In the future, probably nobody will talk about his great ODI performances against Kenya in 2009 (world record for most ever wickets in a series on debut, I think) or his WC 40-odd in trying circumstances against Australia - decent performances no doubt. But he's written himself into cricket folklore by scoring a hard fought Test century.

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eugene wrote:Zimbabwe did indeed pass 9th in the ODI rankings. The 2000 ICC KnockOut Trophy in fact reflected this when Zimbabwe were seeded straight to the Quarterfinals while India, Sri Lanka, England, and the West Indies were forced to qualify first.

Also there were a few other occasions in the 90s when Zimbabwe were ranked ahead of India and England who were both pretty terrible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_ICC_KnockOut_Trophy
I dont think the ICC had rankings till 2002. Random seedings for the QF perhaps?
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Kriterion_BD wrote:
eugene wrote:Zimbabwe did indeed pass 9th in the ODI rankings. The 2000 ICC KnockOut Trophy in fact reflected this when Zimbabwe were seeded straight to the Quarterfinals while India, Sri Lanka, England, and the West Indies were forced to qualify first.

Also there were a few other occasions in the 90s when Zimbabwe were ranked ahead of India and England who were both pretty terrible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_ICC_KnockOut_Trophy
I dont think the ICC had rankings till 2002. Random seedings for the QF perhaps?
The seedings were established from results at the 1999 CWC.
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