Is 54 all out vs Afghanistan in Harare the lowest point?

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Re: Is 54 all out vs Afghanistan in Harare the lowest point?

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jaybro wrote:
TapsC wrote:luckily for these guys our future as a full member is more likely going to be saved by the very board we hate

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luckily for them India needs our vote to keep their money flowing. that's literally all we have left

Well let's use our friendship with India for more than a 3ODI series every second year, I've been thinking the last few days that ever since the rebellion in 03 we have not toured any of the big 3 countries in test cricket, to shield us from being slaughtered. But it has also shielded us from improving and now we have a generation of players who can only count Bangladesh or The West Indies as a tour they've been on ......

We need to start touring Australia & India even if it's for A Games or ODI's we really need to start exposing the next generation of players to the best on the world not hiding them from being hammered. Maybe if our batsman had faced Starc and Hazelwood in Australia or Ashwin and Jadeja in India they wouldn't so much with Dawlat, Nabi, Hamza and Khan ......


India A sereis is in this year, the games have been confirmed. But the tour is most likely to take place in Zimbabwe

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Re: Is 54 all out vs Afghanistan in Harare the lowest point?

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How will the A tours work?. There's no revenue stream from them, so who's paying? Hosting Zim A has as much appeal as hosting Zim to the big nations. Back in the day Zim was a sought after destination for visiting A sides, but that's long gone. Also the reality is that we would need to play 6 or 7 internationals and 3 or 4 A side players in order to be vaguely competitive. The Big 3's A sides are dynamite, although we are not spoilt for choice we would be further revealing our dearth of quality players. If the Academy gets off the ground their results in England against County Two's sides, I fear, will show us up. If they pit us against a full strength County second team it won't go well. That's our cream of up and coming players against a second string County team. Half a dozen of those guys will hold their own, but the others will be cannon fodder. Of course we have to try, there's no choice, but you can't manufacture good players at that stage in their lives. They have to be shit hot youngsters to begin with in order to transition successfully. Not many people learn much from being steam rolled. Anyway I'm done with all my negativity, let's hope for good things.

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Re: Is 54 all out vs Afghanistan in Harare the lowest point?

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With a corrupt board and shattered economy we do not have much going for us.

Perhaps it would better if we were forcibly expelled and re-started as amateurs in a few years' time.

The initial Zimbabwean amateur players who went to the world cups in the 80s did fundraising, sold raffle tickets and had cake sales to raise funds for the team every week! That was the players themselves - they even baked the cakes! They had absolutely NOTHING but a love of the game.

As soon cricket started generating money it became interesting to these corrupt ZPF types - that's the problem. It isn't the players who have stuffed things up, it's people with no knowledge or love of cricket who have destroyed our team. Hell, our best players are mainly out of the country anyway or playing for other nations!

Why should these corrupt goons who call themselves "administrators" be given a free ride. Let them fend for themselves for a few years

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A very small part of me would like to see which players raised money and baked a cake! :lol: :lol:
It wasn't just administrators that clipped onto the gravy train. Someone would either steal the cakes or eat them :lol:

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Sean Williams' speciality would be cookies not for consumption by u18's :lol:

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Googly wrote:Sean Williams' speciality would be cookies not for consumption by u18's :lol:
You're onto something there Googly! Get everyone down to HSC and sell them "Sean's Special Cookies" for a buck each! Let's face it, we'll all need to be stoned out of our nuts to cope with the current level of cricket being played! :lol:

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Pro's Poisoned Toffee Apples :lol:

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Re: Is 54 all out vs Afghanistan in Harare the lowest point?

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jaybro wrote:
We need to start touring Australia & India even if it's for A Games or ODI's we really need to start exposing the next generation of players to the best on the world not hiding them from being hammered. Maybe if our batsman had faced Starc and Hazelwood in Australia or Ashwin and Jadeja in India they wouldn't so much with Dawlat, Nabi, Hamza and Khan ......
The problem with that is Zimbabwe have repeatedly shown an inability to learn. Or an unwillingness. Take your pick. Probably both.

They haven't learned after 4 series against Afghanistan. Thats 19 games. Even a series with Taylor featuring, ZIM were unable to beat Afghanistan. 5 games against India A or even a state side won't teach them anything 20 games vs Afghanistan has not. Not to mention Starc, Hazlewood, Ashwin, and Jadeja would never play on their A teams. They would coming up, but then they wouldn't have the name factor to inspire the confidence or self belief. But the truth is, if Gulbadin Naib or Dollar Mahmud are running through Zimbabwe, Australia or India A teamers would wreck major havoc. India A has toured ZIM and won the last 10 ODIs in Zimbabwe.

After the 2015 World Cup, there was a pervasive sense that Zimbabwe weren't improving because they didn't get enough matches. Well since that time Zimbabwe have played 41 ODIs...2nd amongst all teams, with only Australia ahead, sitting on 42. By comparison, Afghanistan have played just 24, Bangladesh 21, and Ireland a measley 14. Zimbabwe have only won 11 of those matches. One can only imagine what would happen if they faced mostly South Africa or England.

There is only 1 solution now, and it only has a 5% chance of working. Any other option is 0%.

The ICC has to cut Zimbabwe off. It is more than justified both on performance and governance reasons. Once the money is gone, the theives will disappear. I hope the ICC does the right thing and gives ZC an Associate status and force them to start anew. Afghanistan has shown its physically possible in this era, though incredibly unlikely.

After that, can Zimbabwe build from the grassroots like they did in the 80s? I highly doubt it because in the 80s you still had a lot whites left. There simply isn't enough talent in the Musakandas or the Chataras or the Mumbas to cut it against sides like Afghanistan or Ireland.

I don't see the BCCI pulling their support, but I do see the ICC decoupling the financial revamp from the structural one. At least I hope so. Once the Test and ODI leagues come through, I see no reason why Zimbabwe might avoid relegation to the Intercontinental Cup and World Cricket League come 2021-2022. Ervine and Cremer the only remaining players with the requisite minimum talent will be in their mid 30s by then. Burl may develop, and I hope Musakanda does too, but at that stage he will be a one-man team, even Kohli won't be beating anyone by himself.

In retrospect, Zimbabwe cricket may have been declared dead after the 54 all out, but the original injury was suffered way back in 2013 when Jarvis left. Taylor's departure and Price's retirement before were contributing factors, but the main blow, IMO was when Jarvis quit.
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Re: Is 54 all out vs Afghanistan in Harare the lowest point?

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The original injury is the farm invasions. The blank cheque that was written to the thieves at that time in the nation's history has allowed us to get to this point.

Cutting off the cash may well reduce the number of thieves but it won't get rid of them. I have seen too many people stealing the smallest scraps from one another. ZC will thieve and waste an Assoc. Budget just like they do a Full Member one.

I don't think being chucked out is the way forward. The only way forward is getting rid of the crooks and their ghost workers through a new political setup.

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Googly wrote:Sean Williams' speciality would be cookies not for consumption by u18's :lol:
That's very naughty ;)

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