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The Mushfiqur I know has beautiful hands. Yes, I mean keeping.

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I would always take a specialist keeper over a part-timer. Test cricket is about specialists, not bit-part players. Moor needs to focus on his batting. I would happily pick a keeper who only averages 25 with the bat if he is flawless behind the stumps and doesn't give up his wicket without a fight. Chakabva however is not flawless behind the stumps and gives his wicket away so we have a problem there. I will be very interested to see how Ryan Murray performs, lets hope he is actually selected as a keeper in domestic cricket and not a pinch-hitting opening batsman or something.
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Conant wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:26 pm
The Mushfiqur I know has beautiful hands. Yes, I mean keeping.
You must know a different Mushfiq, lol.

Mushy's value in the team is as a top order batsman, probably at 4 or 5 ahead of Shakib. His technique is the best on the team, evidenced by the fact that 4 of his 5 Test tons have been away from home. And his temperament is also ahead of anyone elses. He's averaged 35 as a WK, I reckon he can average 40 or even more perhaps as a specialist batsman.
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Getting back to Regis this is where the coaching staff need to step up, remember when Regis first made it to test cricket he was a very solid defensive player people actually said he was too defensive to bat @7 that’s why he’s been moved up the order and even played purely as a batsman in 3 test matches.

The guy can bat but he’s playing so ‘loosely’ at th moment. Someone needs to remind him of his strengths and play to them.

His shot yesterday was horrendous and he’ll loom back at it and think ‘what the hell was i thinking’.
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I think Regis looks as good as any of our recent keepers with the gloves on. I would be sticking with him until someone really shows something special. Whether Murray starts stumping people for fun or whatever. Moor and Waller just cost too many runs and can't make them up again with the bat. In fact even a Kumar or Gilchrist couldn't make up the number of errors our guys make behind the stumps in front of the stumps.

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Maybe that is why they picked Mayavo in the squad. To be honest if we are going on about the safest hands then he should play instead of Regis at this point because Regis still drops a few and he doesn't make it up with his batting. So we might as well go for the safest pair of hands in the country. I'm assuming he must be the best keeper in the country

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Mayavo had better be the best keeper in the country to get a spot in the squad. Because he can't bat. He'd have to come in at 10 like a 19th Century Keeper.

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Jemisi wrote:
Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:41 am
I think Regis looks as good as any of our recent keepers with the gloves on. I would be sticking with him until someone really shows something special. Whether Murray starts stumping people for fun or whatever. Moor and Waller just cost too many runs and can't make them up again with the bat. In fact even a Kumar or Gilchrist couldn't make up the number of errors our guys make behind the stumps in front of the stumps.
There's value in persevering with Regis Chakabva as the Zimbabwe wicketkeeer.

You cant teach naturall ability and no amount of coaching that goes into Peter Moor, Richmound Mtumbami, or Foster Mutizwa can replace the natural ability of Regius Chakabva or Tateda Taibu.

So quick to condemn Chakabva but none of those keepers mentioned would have been able to affect those stumps on Blackwood. If we are really that desperate we must get back to Taylor, simple!

What Chakabva is lacking now is some confidence from his lack of runs which is affecting his keeping.
He needs to go back into domestic cricket, make tons of runs and how he does there will decide whether he is the incumbent for the SA Test or nah.
TapsC wrote:
Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:05 am
Maybe that is why they picked Mayavo in the squad. To be honest if we are going on about the safest hands then he should play instead of Regis at this point because Regis still drops a few and he doesn't make it up with his batting. So we might as well go for the safest pair of hands in the country. I'm assuming he must be the best keeper in the country

Personally I don't trust anything people say until I see it with my own eyes.

We have been sold so many duds on these forums such as Gerald Aliseni and others.

And there is no discernible statics on him that supports this claim. They is no way in this day and age you can be picking a wicketkeeper who can't bat; no way.

The one wicket-keeper who made an impression on me was Kuda Suaramba but I guess nothing has come off that yet.
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you pick your best 6 batsman best gloveman ( not batsman ) and your best 4 bowlers ! thats the way test cricket has always worked and the best teams always did that , teams used to have players like kallis ect so you could play the allrounder who gives you equal balance , if you don't have a genuine allrounder then pick your best bat because it will backfire. ask Australia and even southafrica , they are always searching for the missing link but the key is if you don't have the allrounder you play your best bats and bowlers. it frustrates me how so many teams try to replicate the one layers where you can use bits and piece players to fill the gaps.im always for the better gloveman over a decent bat and average gloveman , if the top 6 can't 8times out of 10 do the job then you're simply not good enough
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Andybligzz wrote:
Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:59 am
you pick your best 6 batsman best gloveman ( not batsman ) and your best 4 bowlers ! thats the way test cricket has always worked and the best teams always did that , teams used to have players like kallis ect so you could play the allrounder who gives you equal balance , if you don't have a genuine allrounder then pick your best bat because it will backfire. ask Australia and even southafrica , they are always searching for the missing link but the key is if you don't have the allrounder you play your best bats and bowlers. it frustrates me how so many teams try to replicate the one layers where you can use bits and piece players to fill the gaps.im always for the better gloveman over a decent bat and average gloveman , if the top 6 can't 8times out of 10 do the job then you're simply not good enough


Very wise words here. It's a specialists game in the end I guess.. you can't have part timers in any of it.. that's the lesson I think we have to take from the last 7 or so tests.

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