ESPNCRICINFO reports that Gary Ballance has retired from all cricket - does anybody know details, what happened ?

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Re: ESPNCRICINFO reports that Gary Ballance has retired from all cricket - does anybody know details, what happened ?

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jontym87 wrote:
Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:28 am
secretzimbo wrote:
Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:19 am
Most of the squad are regular recreational drug users and it's no secret. Ballance's crime was he did it during a series, which is idiotic.
This not a secret and not even a lie i will fall short of dropping names since some may say i have an 'agenda'. But in all honesty, I blame ZC they need to put strict testing measures in place to combat recreational drug use. Put together a welfare based recreational drug testing programme through a recreational drugs policy outlining consequences for players who violate the policy. The programme should be designed to identify players with welfare challenges and provide them with bespoke support otherwise we are doomed.
Bespoke support!! C'mon. :lol:
Just pay them properly, if they use the cash poorly that's their problem.
It implies the more fucked up you get the more ZC should be willing to assist :lol:

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About it being first strike i refer you back to the witness statement of Azeem Rafiq
I'm not sure why Rafiki's statement should be taken as gospel either. It may have some truth, but its not a basis to claim he's a repeat offender.

At the end of the day GB would appear to have fucked up, but I'm certain this could be handled a bit differently.
I'm not suggesting he gets a pass (clearly not possible), but nonetheless this seems extreme, but we don't know the facts and don't know whether ICC gave any wiggle room or whether ZC exercised all their options for that matter.

The list of damaged cricketers in our set up is alarming and sad.

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You do sound as though you're almost back in the fold, though. My heartiest congratulations.

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Again moot, but your take on his value as a white ball player is simply so far off the mark. Is that the official position?

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Those two youngsters are first time offenders. Some substances and methods are prohibited at all times (such as in Gazza's case)
What was the drug?

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I can't get over how hilarious the 'he should have played 1 Logan Cup game first' thing is. :lol:

What on Earth do you think you're gonna learn about him we didn't know already? The guy has over 12,000 First Class runs, multiple Test centuries, considered (and paid as) the best county pro in England for years - and yet you think he has to 'prove himself' in a match batting against Steve Chimhamhiwa or someone? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Similarly the 'He adds nothing as a white ball player' - it's just madness Really laughable :lol: . They are the comments of a guy with a clear agenda for whatever reason.

This is a disastrous incident for many reasons including off-field ones and wider ramifications - 3 prominent white guys fucking up in 2 years. You can bet a certain sector of the community will be absolutely thrilled and use it as much as they can. It also puts Houghton in a very difficult position. He personally pushed for Ballance's return. Where does this leave Houghton and his relationship with the powers that be?

On field it is disastrous also. Tbh the Qualifier is a toss-up, would have been even if we had Ballance and remains so. Most of the sides can beat each other on a given day. You'd be a fool to bet money on any of the teams qualifying.
But the real loss is over the next 3-4 years. With Williams & Ervine on their way out in the very very near future and also Raza's very advancing years and increasingly limited ability, Ballance was absolutely key to our transition. Probably would have been our captain next year.
Now we run the risk of our entire middle order and 4 best players all leaving within a year or so of each other. That will be absolutely brutal.

So I don't think our qualifier chances are massively affected due to the unpredictable nature of that tournament anyway, but I think this sets us back, in many ways, for the next few years.

Disastrous.

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secretzimbo wrote:
Mon Apr 24, 2023 1:15 pm
I can't get over how hilarious the 'he should have played 1 Logan Cup game first' thing is. :lol:

What on Earth do you think you're gonna learn about him we didn't know already? The guy has over 12,000 First Class runs, multiple Test centuries, considered (and paid as) the best county pro in England for years - and yet you think he has to 'prove himself' in a match batting against Steve Chimhamhiwa or someone? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Similarly the 'He adds nothing as a white ball player' - it's just madness Really laughable :lol: . They are the comments of a guy with a clear agenda for whatever reason.

This is a disastrous incident for many reasons including off-field ones and wider ramifications - 3 prominent white guys fucking up in 2 years. You can bet a certain sector of the community will be absolutely thrilled and use it as much as they can. It also puts Houghton in a very difficult position. He personally pushed for Ballance's return. Where does this leave Houghton and his relationship with the powers that be?

On field it is disastrous also. Tbh the Qualifier is a toss-up, would have been even if we had Ballance and remains so. Most of the sides can beat each other on a given day. You'd be a fool to bet money on any of the teams qualifying.
But the real loss is over the next 3-4 years. With Williams & Ervine on their way out in the very very near future and also Raza's very advancing years and increasingly limited ability, Ballance was absolutely key to our transition. Probably would have been our captain next year.
Now we run the risk of our entire middle order and 4 best players all leaving within a year or so of each other. That will be absolutely brutal.

So I don't think our qualifier chances are massively affected due to the unpredictable nature of that tournament anyway, but I think this sets us back, in many ways, for the next few years.

Disastrous.
Nonsense because of what someone did 5/6 years ago it's a passport to gain automatic entry into a side? let's look at what he achieved in the past 12/24 months simple. Its crazy to think he was going to be around for long play well past mid 30s.
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I'm not sure why this thread has become about Jonty and not about Gary. Come on, Jonty has been a valuable contributor for long. Disagreements need not get personal. Yes, some of us are overly harsh on some players, but it's a quip and we move on. Can't have pages of going at each other while the other person is also bringing facts to the table.

The bottom line is probably difficult to accept may be? Also, there was no way Gary could have played an "ICC tournament" - the qualifiers with all the random testings - in this state anyway, would have been a major egg on the face of ZC, so isn't it good that he walked away?

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I know I sound like a stuck record, but I can't wrap my head around Jonty thinking that GB is not essential to firstly our white ball and secondly to the overall state of our national side. We have not long to wait to see life without Ballance, Williams, Ervine and Raza. We might be back to our worst days, when the rest of the world has moved on. Disaster is looming. Sorry but its true, my timing has been out, but it has an air of inevitability about it and GB was a very necessary part of keeping it together.
The proviso is obviously a fit, healthy and happy GB, which is obviously not a guarantee.
Pick a side without our big players. It's grim.
When the dust settles and he personally takes stock of the mess he's made and how people pushed the boat out for him he's going to have real problems reconciling that. Yorkshire were patient with him and that was due mostly to his undeniable ability and not his sparkling personality. People with knowledge seem painfully aware that you don't just pick a 20 year old and he will rise to Ballance's ability. Jonty's pick was Dion. Well let's see, undeniable ability, but in this environment he's in long shot territory, no disrespect to the guy. He'll be farming within 5 years, that's my prediction. Yet Jonty thinks - don't worry there's a plan. There currently really isn't.
As I pointed out before, ZC have laboured under this for decades and it just hasn't happened. The best kid they've had for years has been Madhevere that they've really looked after and he is yet to deliver, and may never do so. He needs to have his head on a swivel for the lab coats as well. The number of guys they've ignored or just not groomed correctly or allowed to slip through their fingers has been criminal.

This really shouldn't be a gotcha moment, we're in serious trouble.

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Googly wrote:
Mon Apr 24, 2023 2:20 pm

The hope is that we do have a bunch of guys in the system currently who are of good ability, are committed, are young, and are seemingly being taken care of better than previous generations. And despite this latest disaster theres a generally positive vibe around our cricket and most facets of it are improving.

Madhevere
Munyonga
Marumani
Shumba
Madande
Bennett
Campbell
Curran
M Welch
(maybe N Welch eventually)

Frost and Schadendorf did well in their recent appearances, although I don't rate them hugely.

Fingers crossed for a couple from the next u19 batch too.

But ya the issue is Ballance was the perfect age - him giving us 3-4 years to sit alongside and lead this group of youngsters was critical. We could very quickly go from having the oldest top 7 batsmen in the world to the youngest! A batting lineup with no Ervine/Williams/Ballance/Raza looks truly tragic currently. Hopefully Raza plays until he is 40 and remains available and somehow retains his ridiculous form from the last 12 months for another several years :lol: Hopefully one or two other do a Kaia and up their game miraculously. Naqvi? :lol:

There's a lot of 'hopefully's' here.

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