Googly wrote:I still believe that these clubs with no grounds should be banned. That mentality of have a few drinks and form a club because you may not get picked at another actual club is a big part of the problem.
Googly come again wati chii ? Is that so shocked and disappointed you would think black clubs are a bunch of drunks. Let the record show that cricket was never a black sport it was a white elitist sport played in huge backyards or farms or white member clubs. These institutions were built by black folk and by Zimbabwean resources and am i not entitled to go to OGs or Country Club and have a drink , or play a game of cricket , am i not allowed as a free Zimbabwean to play the game of cricket by any means necessary , am i as a free black Zimbabwean not allowed to register a recreational gathering of black men and ladies to play the worlds greatest sport. Lets not be antagonistic by stirring up that old dark days of cricket where you refuse to play a game with black folk who do not care for narrow minded people. For the past 4 years i have been part of a building process of a black club that has competed and beaten the best of the best and contributed in the resurgence of Mashonaland cricket and for you to say ban clubs is offensive and i take it as a serious threat and trust me with the exception of a few i will not shake a white mans hand anymore after a game if these are the feelings that are being harbored by guys i simply want to play against.
My strong opinion is that in order to resurrect club cricket you need to join one of the existing clubs that has a cricket field, pitch, nets, change rooms, toilets etc. Unless people are prepared to do that, cricket will not be as successful as it used to be. Who do you think maintains and prepares these grounds? Keep pitching up for a $1 game of cricket and see how long it lasts. What is your motive for not joining a club and contributing to the upkeep and having some pride in the place anyway? It's a cop out to pitch up with $1 in your pocket and expect things to be nice. I go beyond that, it's not correct and it's what caused the downfall of cricket here. Also as a matter of interest most decent clubs worldwide have a members' section where you are NOT entitled to enter unless signed in by a member. I will let you into a little secret, you don't have to be white to join- you have to be proposed and seconded by two members. In the old days membership was prized, it's the point I'm making and the one you are missing completely. Please don't tell me you feel you are owed?
The other stuff you are talking about drunk blacks, white elitists, farm invasions, black man's blood and sweat, Zimbabwean resources (I've lived here a lot longer than you have, and perhaps my family may have as well) white entitlement, secret white clubs, not shaking white hands and hating all of them forever coz you don't like my opinion I'm not understanding where you are coming from? Actually I am half understanding it. You appear to have a huge chip on your shoulder, did you not get a farm?
The dark days of cricket where whites refused to play with black folk who do not care to play with narrow minded people?
Firstly I suspect you were too young to remember those dark days. Were you told we used to sacrifice a groundsman before we played? Please don't be ridiculous.
I have no recollection of any refusal, you just had to belong to a club, pay your membership and make one of the teams, not an easy task. My point again is that now people are creating a nomadic club if they feel they won't make one of the existing ones. I dare you to go to Derbyshire CC with 11 of your mates and challenge them to an impromptu game of cricket. They will tell you to fuck off. Actually go there with 10 black mates and accuse them of racism and you may just get a game and a passport. Your membership however will be denied on the grounds that you are a dick.
If it's taken you 4 years to create a club that has no ground and requires one dollar a game from each guy to play your organisational skills are zero, no wonder you don't have a farm.
There's a good chance that we will lose our membership at some point. ICC monies will be reduced to a trickle with very little filtering down to "club" cricket. How will you play? Who will supplement the endeavour? Of course you can jambanja OG's and get a few free games before you need to find money for diesel for the lawn mower and then you will sit on the verandah and go nxaaaa!!
It's not "club" cricket, it's Sponge Off A Club Cricket! The SOACC league and should be second tier from those clubs and people that are serious about sorting the game out. Do you know that the Boozer's leagues contribute more to ground upkeep than you guys?
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Gargantuan, I think all he is trying to say that its good to form and build a club, but due to limited resources that formation needs to come with maintenance of a ground associated with the club. Not a white or black thing.
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No I'm saying the opposite. It's really bad to form a club. The only motive to form a SOACC is to avoid the responsibility of running the cricket section of an existing one and at the same time trying to make a name for yourself at ZC, their ranks are closed unless you marry into it or someone dies. At least Steve and Givemore went and found their own bit of land as an act of defiance against the white imperialist colonialist murdering racist murungus of yesteryear, may they burn in hell. The war is over, you won, and for you the prize is a wide selection of clubs that have abandoned cricket fields, run down club houses, destroyed bowling greens, rotting squash courts, empty sad tennis courts, empty cracked swimming pools They are all waiting for some free black Zimbabweans, men and women, drunk or sober, to use some of that good old blood and sweat and Zimbabean resources of which you so proudly speak to go and give them some tender loving care and claim them as their own but instead you are "resurrecting" Mashonaland cricket by queuing for games at HSC, Country Club, OH and Alex and maybe Sunrise and abdicating from the real responsibilities. It's time to rebuild, stop being a leech under the guise of being a saviour, you're not fooling all of us.
shocked and disappointed you would think black clubs are a bunch of drunks. Let the record show that cricket was never a black sport it was a white elitist sport played in huge backyards or farms or white member clubs. These institutions were built by black folk and by Zimbabwean resources and am i not entitled to go to OGs or Country Club and have a drink , or play a game of cricket , am i not allowed as a free Zimbabwean to play the game of cricket by any means necessary , am i as a free black Zimbabwean not allowed to register a recreational gathering of black men and ladies to play the worlds greatest sport. Lets not be antagonistic by stirring up that old dark days of cricket where you refuse to play a game with black folk who do not care for narrow minded people. For the past 4 years i have been part of a building process of a black club that has competed and beaten the best of the best and contributed in the resurgence of Mashonaland cricket and for you to say ban clubs is offensive and i take it as a serious threat and trust me with the exception of a few i will not shake a white mans hand anymore after a game if these are the feelings that are being harbored by guys i simply want to play against.