Eddie Byrom and Nick Welch

[Googly]

So do you accept Chamisa is a hand puppet?
Sadly Coltart wastes as much time communing with God as do the ZANU lads. It should be clear to him by now which party Jesus supports
They should spend some time watching Christopher Hitchens and they’d free up some time to actually be a useful opposition, they’re f^*#ing useless!!

[Jemisi]

If Hitchens was right then there's nothing wrong with all this thieving that you write about so frequently, Googly. These crooks are just surviving at the expense of those around them. If Jesus is right then the crooks count as crooks, just like we all know they do.

[Googly]

You missed the entire point of Hitchens. You don’t need religion to have morality and decency. In fact in this neck of the woods the thefts and amoral behavior gets excused en masse every Sunday, it’s a wonderful system. If you graphed church attendance and thievery in Zim statistically it would weigh in at around 99%.
Club games are being cancelled because there’s no money to prepare grounds because the rains are upon us, and long may they last. ZC are asking for fuel donations.
Of course if ea player puts in $1 you can get 20 liters and do it yourself, just a thought, or just sit under a tree and blame someone else.
Another drought will be blamed on illegal sanctions pushing the ITCZ north.
The big crooks are not surviving at others’ expense, they’re thriving beyond their wildest expectations, there’s a big difference.
I’m trying to establish whether Ncube’s utterances about us entering the space program have any truth. It appears as if the government want to launch a satellite.
They want food aid, but they somehow have money to launch a satellite?

[Googly]

Our last budget a few months back was $28 billion and this one is $63 billion. How did our economy just double in size? Ncube is claiming it’s because the austerity measures are over
This is a nightmare we’re living in.

[Googly]

Ncube is hosting a “prudent deployment of resources” seminar in Elephant Hills for 350 members of the House and Senate where rooms are $300 usd a night for 5 nights.
Of course MDC will also be in full attendance, nobody wants to miss out on a freebie.
This is why we’re so f%#*ed here. They’re all thieves.

[Jemisi]

The big crooks may be thriving or surviving but it is at the expense of those they are competing with. Ordinary people.

This is not a problem if Hitchens was right. Or rather if he was right, why not celebrate the chefs' thriving? What highly evolved beasts they are!

You can have morals and decency but they are more likely to be consistent with Jesus rather than Hitchens' faith.

All of your concerns about the mess of things are only meaningful if there is some standard that the crooks are failing. And that includes the church crooks. It doesn't matter at all if they are thieving or lying or corrupting if we are just cosmic accidents.

But I think it does matter. And the quality of your laments suggests that you think it matters too.

[ZIMDOGGY]

I agree with Jemisi here.
What is morality and what is the moral line if not for the religious text?

Someone born a sociopath (no natural empathy) would have no qualms about bad shit like thievery once you take away the religious angle, the fear of hell.

If I’m short of cash and I want something I can easily steal from the supermarket, why not?
I can easily rationalise that.
No victims, no one knows, big corporation. Just a little thing taken etc.


That said, it’s clear alot of dodgy Zimbos use God as a manipulation tactic only.
I always get Facebook ads for people claiming to do miracles and blessings for a fee.
Probably no different than those who pretend they can talk to dead loved ones

[Googly]

If people need the threat of fire and brimstone in the afterlife in order not to go on a murdering thieving rampage in this one then I’d suggest they’re slightly lower down the evolutionary tree than they should be , assuming of course that you think humans have been around longer than Adam and Eve. Those are suspiciously white names I’d have gone with Abdul and Aaleya if I was writing a fairy story that I was hoping a few billion people would swallow.
That’s gotta hurt the black guys who must have pored over the scriptures looking for Sipho and Tatenda to get a mention
Latest genetic evidence suggests we all came from Botswana, where I just know my ancestors had a big hunting concession which I’d like back. Actually word of mouth suggests they passed through Chinhoyi where they were forcibly evicted by some unruly San so I’d like that little section back as well.

I like the bit where Hitch suggests that the big G stood with his arms folded for a few billion years before he saw primates take shape and then only directed some genetic engineering in the last hundred thousand years to shape one tribe into his own image and likeness, the problem is we’ve got to figure out which one. Hopefully he looks like me so I can taunt the other 500 races out there.

If you need religion to keep your carnal instincts in check then all power to you, brother.

[Jemisi]

Adam is only a white name because we copied it from the first guy who owned it.

You're right mate, I do find that I need Him to keep my instincts in check.

As I said, if we all came down the line from where Hitch says we came from, thieving just doesn't matter. If anything you might as well be cheering for the ZANUs as they compete to demonstrate themselves to be the finest examples of selfish genes the world has yet produced. ZC might have a chance of winning a world title!

Or not. Right and Wrong have no meaning if Hitch is right. His jokes don't count, his efforts to educate us all are futile. But even less than futile.

Just...nothing.

I think you are on much stronger ground thinking that the crooks are crooks. Inside and outside the church, and God ain't happy about it all.

[Googly]

No bud, that’s why we have laws to keep people in check.
You’re claiming we only need religion.
Which religion exactly? I’m a bit suspicious of Islam because there’s whole chapters dedicated to killing Christians and there’s books in the Bible that may in fact be even more bloody and murderous than the Quran.
I’d rather stick with some well thought out laws that don’t advocate the wholesale destruction of other religions, races and tribes. Picking through fairy stories trying to find benevolent verses is ridiculous. You can’t be half pregnant.