Streak and Technical Team given notice

[Jemisi]

I'd like to get Mangongo out of the national system.

I'd like to see him coach a FC team. No systemic nonsense. Just a straightforward opportunity to win a trophy.

If only we had some FC teams playing cricket in the country.

[jimmylesaint]

Technically Jaybro.. Mangongo was fired so not a national coach anymore. I'm not sure how selection worked for U19 but Makonis son went for a long holiday and played one game. Is the kid good enough to be in that squad?
I prefer Mangongo over Singo- at least Mangongon knows cricket and he does get 10/10 for passion.

The schooling system is shite i must agree- certainly if you look at government schools.
If you look at the time given for cricket training at private junior schools, there is no way that the schools themselves can produce competent cricketers.
All the good players are getting external coaching sessions or had them already. I may speak out of turn for junior boarding schools that have more time to train.
In fact i hypothesis that most of our best cricketers come from Boarding schools or day schools where the kids have extra coaching sessions. This is where ZC should be looking for the future stars, yes they are rich kids and some will be white too, get over it.
Set up Makendeni and Takashinga as a proper centre for disadvantaged kids and surrounding schools.

[eugene]

So I have been getting a lot of messages from hhm lately on twitter. I mentioned to him about how the current board, and Singo in particular, have brought about the demise of youth cricket in Zimbabwe. Jimmy and googly, I would be particularly interested in your thoughts on what he posted in reply:

Anyone who says youth cricket in Zimbabwe was damaged is confused. Even during the late 80s and early 90s ZIM never had several rounds of schools cricket. And that applies even to youth rounds of soccer matches. What died in ZIm was club cricket. During weekends and school holidays, that is where kids honed their skills even more. But due to the economy from late 90s onwards, this became tough. Zc, unlike any other board in the world, had to adopt everything and foot the bill for everything - something the old ZCU never did, and something one of your friends at ZCF always says ZC must ignore - rural areas and townships and only focus on a few once more. With the economy shot - parents and individuals in general could not longer afford Subscriptions - utilities to maintain grounds and facilities, transport to matches, match balls by the host etc. I once posted a question on ZCF and said - "Who do you guys think I am, don't you think I am involved in some form of donations and support, not just in SA but somehow in ZIM?". That was deflected. I can tell you now that I have contributed towards some clubs, and know some companies that donated to some clubs (Matabeleland). Some tried, but unless you go to the extent of fully kitting the player plus picking them up from home, never mind a common meeting point it's near impossible. That's the difference between SA and ZIM. In SA kids will travel kilometers just to get to practice everyday. ZIM has an element of laziness and lack of fight in general, and it's across races. Not just Blacks. I don't think enough education has been put into the minds of people there that Sports and Entertainement are the best paying jobs. Then again, with no companies, TV exposure and endorsements locally, kids grow up not appreciating this. In SA there's community newspapers, community magazines, local radio stations, and some province and city based TV channels. So as a kid at least they are exposed and see a career and prominence in sport. That's before they even get to mainstream media. Maybe if ZIM had better TV, papers and Radio locally it would help. It's almost impossible to imagine an sportsperson in the outskirts of ZIM have their name appear in any medium before they are 16. It's limited to school scoreboards and heresay. Even for private school kids. Facebook doesn't count just in case you think that. I also find it rather silly that educated fans can't even register a simple domain and promote their club or school with a decent website, but can criticise ZC and the provincial side. No one can come up with a a simple 8 page A3 local paper distribute, with maybe 2 pages reserved and sold for local advertising to finance admin and printing and the paper grows from there. There's simply zero culture of initiative among Zimbabweans. And I repeat it's across races. In SA even activism, if a community decides to shut down a major road they can do that within 30 minutes. Don't say the ZIM police are brutal because in SA it was done even under the brutal Apartheid regime and murdurous police force. That's the level of organisation and initiative, albeit from a different perspective. So for people to continue to blame ZC, Singo etc is disingenous. Some schools have nets with schoolkeepers who don't deny kids entry. But even those who are part of the main school sides won't even go in during their free time to pick up a bat with a few mates or even a couple of tennis racquets and practice. I think countries like Nepal and Afghanistan have taught ZIM that money, facilities and coaching are not an obstacle to to progression. This is where I fault you guys as fans and peopel active in forums because you simply shift blame to administrators and coaches even when it's not necessary. I know plenty wealthy Zimbabweans in SA who can patch up roads with potholes, repair clinics, schools etc with just us$10,000.00, but they won't even spare that much. not even to their former school and clinic or roads around where they grew up. Yet they'll complain Mugabe this, Mugabe that. ZANU this, ZANU that. In SA former teachers have built schools with a few classes just from their pensions. Zimbabweans won't even get together to cut grass manually or repair a mower and push it. They won;t even sweep clean a tennis court. So surely before people can point fingers at Admins who were overwhelmed, they can ask what they themselves have done.

[Kriterion_BD]

What HHM says is probably not entirely false. It might even be mostly true. He seems like he has a pretty good idea of what he's talking about, as long as its not actually cricket.

But I think he's lost the plot if he thinks that the corrupt admin is faultless. At least put some of the blame on the ZC brass, if not 75% of the blame like we do.

[jaybro]

I can’t believe he got that many words out without blaming whites for anything

He’d be spewing Mangongo, Prosper & Dougie Hondo got the sack, I’d be interested to hear who he wants as captain and coach now he’s had his wish with Streak/Cremer gone

[TapsC]

Thats why I mentioned the economic situation as being part of the problem. Ideally club cricket should be independent. In fact the whole concept of franchise cricket requires independence from a central system but there just isnt enough support from individuals and the corporate world to get things going because the economy is struggling.

When people complain that ZC isnt paying people on time its interesting because I know 90% of companies do the same in Zimbabwe. Its hand to mouth kind of stuff right now. In an ideal situation ZC shouldnt be paying for club and franchise cricket. This would also decrease our dependence on them. It would be interesting to see the financial report and audit. It probably contains bad governance policies and ludacris remuneration packages but no actual theft. Otherwise surely rhe ICC would have acted by now

[jimmylesaint]

I think HHM has been brain washed by the propaganda and by being a good citizen and listening to his elders.
ZC destroyed cricket in 2004 along with Zanu PF- as for poor old ZC paying for everything what a load of hoshkosh.
Those were the days when ZC had forex, when we stayed in the Sheraton for 6months at a time for $5 a night!! SOmetimes we had rooms there all year round. THose were the days when Bvute would buy everyone in the office new suits and dresses and of course every lunch time was takeaway time!
HHM trying to make it sound like ZC honorably paid for the poor schools and clubs etc it did to some degree but not as much wastage as the stupidity of the board who were like kids in a candy store.
I mean lets bring in the top stars and then we'll make big bucks on tv rights!!!! Money wasted on foreigners like Chris Gayle- heck even us players were coining 7k a month at Franchise level. ZC blasted money away like it was candy floss in a gale! Incompetence!
The individuals we talk about = thieves they owe many people much money and should not be in a position of power or even employed as they are criminals.

There's simply zero culture of initiative among Zimbabweans

Ridiculous, the problem is when you propose an initiative and there is no money in it for ZC then it goes no where! If you find a sponsor to sponsor a franchise- guess what the sponsor must go through ZC HQ to be "vetted" and milked for more money so they end up not sponsoring. Everything must go through the funnel kneck of ZC HQ .
At HTC they proposed training 200 Phys Ed teachers a year in cricket level 1- those teachers go to the surrounding government schools and teach the sport. At NO COST to ZC---- the largest development in decades! Still waiting for ZC to come up with the level 1 syllabus and ok the initiative. Still waiting and wanting to carry the initiative to the other 5 teacher training schools and have around 1000coaches a year trained and in schools!

Fundamentally cricket is a rich mans game! Go to the rich schools to find the best players. The StrangsX2, Wittals X3,Huckles,Dube,Streak,Wisharts etc all from rich schools, all spent their spare time in the nets, that was their idea of fun.

ZC did it again during this WCQ they took ICC guys to St Georges and St Johns and told them that ZC had developed and now maintains those cricket grounds using development money!
I could go on but that would give away my identity

Let me just end with this HHM, if your accountant or Board of Accountants said "hey HHM we have actually run your debts to $19m." Would you not fire them straight away and sue them for professional negligence?

TapsC the economic situation is part of the problem, it now means the guys can get $6m a tranche in US$ and turn it into $9m via rtgs more to steal.Like we just saw ICC gave US$ cash to pay all the workers at the tourney and the people in charge gave them RTGS. No initiative HHM says....plenty when it comes to scheming ways to skim and cheat people.
Funny HHM should be doing his Journalism in SA now, even he can't stand the corruption in Zim

Club cricket around the country costs $50k to run the entire season! Peanuts.

[zimbot]

I think HHM has been brain washed by the propaganda and by being a good citizen and listening to his elders.
ZC destroyed cricket in 2004 along with Zanu PF- as for poor old ZC paying for everything what a load of hoshkosh.
Those were the days when ZC had forex, when we stayed in the Sheraton for 6months at a time for $5 a night!! SOmetimes we had rooms there all year round. THose were the days when Bvute would buy everyone in the office new suits and dresses and of course every lunch time was takeaway time!
HHM trying to make it sound like ZC honorably paid for the poor schools and clubs etc it did to some degree but not as much wastage as the stupidity of the board who were like kids in a candy store.
I mean lets bring in the top stars and then we'll make big bucks on tv rights!!!! Money wasted on foreigners like Chris Gayle- heck even us players were coining 7k a month at Franchise level. ZC blasted money away like it was candy floss in a gale! Incompetence!
The individuals we talk about = thieves they owe many people much money and should not be in a position of power or even employed as they are criminals.

There's simply zero culture of initiative among Zimbabweans

Ridiculous, the problem is when you propose an initiative and there is no money in it for ZC then it goes no where! If you find a sponsor to sponsor a franchise- guess what the sponsor must go through ZC HQ to be "vetted" and milked for more money so they end up not sponsoring. Everything must go through the funnel kneck of ZC HQ .
At HTC they proposed training 200 Phys Ed teachers a year in cricket level 1- those teachers go to the surrounding government schools and teach the sport. At NO COST to ZC---- the largest development in decades! Still waiting for ZC to come up with the level 1 syllabus and ok the initiative. Still waiting and wanting to carry the initiative to the other 5 teacher training schools and have around 1000coaches a year trained and in schools!

Fundamentally cricket is a rich mans game! Go to the rich schools to find the best players. The StrangsX2, Wittals X3,Huckles,Dube,Streak,Wisharts etc all from rich schools, all spent their spare time in the nets, that was their idea of fun.

ZC did it again during this WCQ they took ICC guys to St Georges and St Johns and told them that ZC had developed and now maintains those cricket grounds using development money!
I could go on but that would give away my identity

Let me just end with this HHM, if your accountant or Board of Accountants said "hey HHM we have actually run your debts to $19m." Would you not fire them straight away and sue them for professional negligence?

TapsC the economic situation is part of the problem, it now means the guys can get $6m a tranche in US$ and turn it into $9m via rtgs more to steal.Like we just saw ICC gave US$ cash to pay all the workers at the tourney and the people in charge gave them RTGS. No initiative HHM says....plenty when it comes to scheming ways to skim and cheat people.
Funny HHM should be doing his Journalism in SA now, even he can't stand the corruption in Zim

Club cricket around the country costs $50k to run the entire season! Peanuts.

Wow.

[TapsC]

ZC is probably the biggest supplier of USD on the black market right now thats where the theft would he taking place although that really makes me wonder if Faisnan is in on it. I dont trust the ICC anymore to be honest. I got a funny feeling BT and Jarvis are compromised if their money was transferred straight to the UK. That would basically mean they have to play along until their contracts are up.

Is it 50k for one club or 50k for all clubs. If its for one club and there about 10 each in Harare,Mutare,Masvingo and Bulawayo for example then the costs would be high. Dont really know how it works

[Survivor]

Could a private buyer possibly save Zimbabwean cricket. Board may be happy to get a bit more cash before the game completely dies in Zimbabwe. The way it is the board are unlikely to get anymore personal wealth from the game. Would need the backing of the ICC and be a world first.