[Match Thread] Bangladesh v Zimbabwe 3rd ODI

[jaybro]

Another thing I picked up from the game was the audio coming from the stump mic, BT seemed to really getting stuck into some of the guys. I heard him give Cephas and Wellington a mouthful for their fielding which I feel isn't helping anyone, you don't see Dhoni or Paine berating their fielders. I don't know if i'm reading too much into it but I reckon there would be a clear divide in the playing group. There also didn't seem to be much respect for Hamilton out there, Taylor, Williams and Raza seemed to be having their own fielding discussions whilst Hamilton looked to Elton for advice.

[TapsC]

I dont even think its about divisions. Hami just isnt a strong enough leader. Its so obvious. This is why his captaincy stints never last long.

The way BT batted should have been a warning sign. It was too easy. For me long term change for ZC can only come if we completely overhaul the bowlers in the country. You just cannot improve facing Tiripano or Ngarava in the nets. Every single world class team has a really strong bowling lineup. Even Bangladesh these days are producing quality bowlers. To make matters worse the 2 most challenging bowlers we have are not in the picture right now. We really had it good this year with Blessing Cremer and Vitori even forcing Jarvis to be benched

[jaybro]

For me long term change for ZC can only come if we completely overhaul the bowlers in the country. You just cannot improve facing Tiripano or Ngarava in the nets. Every single world class team has a really strong bowling lineup. Even Bangladesh these days are producing quality bowlers. To make matters worse the 2 most challenging bowlers we have are not in the picture right now. We really had it good this year with Blessing Cremer and Vitori even forcing Jarvis to be benched

You can't just produce bowlers out of no where they need to be identified at a young age and nurtured through the age groups, sadly we had one of the highest regarded fast bowling coaches Heath Streak who seemed to be doing a good job bringing through some youngsters. We really need the academy running again to identify and produce these fast bowlers.

As for the guys currently around we need to be putting time and money into Carl Mumba, Luke Jongwe, Neville Madziva, Richard Ngarava and Brian Vitori. Vitori is the interesting one as he has his well documented issues with his action but he has pace and with not many options around we need to try every avenue possible to try and get him bowling legally again.

Ngarava is well off the pace at the moment but with not much around we need to see if we can get something out of him like Vitori. Jongwe and Madziva are probably more white ball players who can bat a bit as well, much brighter prospects than Tiripano. Mumba is the pick of the bunch as he has genuine pace and bounce.

Not too much more on the domestic scene Nyauchi is always amongst the wicket takers and Masuku had a break out year last season, but by all reports they're not international quality players.

Could look at trying to get Diplock, Evans and Matigmu back into the system but with no real reward for playing Logan Cup it's hard to attract guys to come back.

[Nanctus]

As for the guys currently around we need to be putting time and money into Carl Mumba, Luke Jongwe, Neville Madziva, Richard Ngarava and Brian Vitori. Vitori is the interesting one as he has his well documented issues with his action but he has pace and with not many options around we need to try every avenue possible to try and get him bowling legally again.

What happened to Madziva anyway? He never seems to be in the team, even though he has done reasonably well in the past. Has he had injuries or been overseas during the last couple of years?

I also worry that Vitori's pace came from the bend in his arm. Hopefully if he bowls legally it doesn't bring him down into the 120s.

[Conant]

Another thing I picked up from the game was the audio coming from the stump mic, BT seemed to really getting stuck into some of the guys. I heard him give Cephas and Wellington a mouthful for their fielding which I feel isn't helping anyone, you don't see Dhoni or Paine berating their fielders. I don't know if i'm reading too much into it but I reckon there would be a clear divide in the playing group. There also didn't seem to be much respect for Hamilton out there, Taylor, Williams and Raza seemed to be having their own fielding discussions whilst Hamilton looked to Elton for advice.

So devided according to race then. You can imagine if Prosper was still there

[tawac]

Another thing I picked up from the game was the audio coming from the stump mic, BT seemed to really getting stuck into some of the guys. I heard him give Cephas and Wellington a mouthful for their fielding which I feel isn't helping anyone, you don't see Dhoni or Paine berating their fielders. I don't know if i'm reading too much into it but I reckon there would be a clear divide in the playing group. There also didn't seem to be much respect for Hamilton out there, Taylor, Williams and Raza seemed to be having their own fielding discussions whilst Hamilton looked to Elton for advice.

I reckon I saw the same thing in SA BT was disappointed with a throw from Chamu and he let know it. Its a good thing having a vocal keeper. He keeps everyone awake and on their toes. Guess it wont be the same with Chakabva behind the stumps.

[CrimsonAvenger]

I did not get to watch much of this series again, but at one point in the third ODI, I did see a chance to review an LBW decision. Hamilton, who was at slip, came all the way down, looking at Elton at mid on for inputs. In the end height was a factor and they did not review (possibly Hamilton knew it all along), but how the hell would Elton at mid-on have any say on anything to do with an LBW? And Elton(!), of all the people, too. I did not see Hamilton and BT look at each other at all with any inclination to consult each other on this matter as they both walked down towards the stumps. I just thought I may have missed it, but now that this is floated here, looks like this is a pettern. We don't seem to be a "band of brothers" anymore...

I'm just wondering what is in it for Hamilton to captain at all with the situation the way it is. Why wouldn't he just resign and focus on getting some personal form back?

I didn't notice much of Taylor's reactions, but as long as it is in an encouraging way, it can definitely lift the team. But if he acted similar to Mushfiqur / Srfraz Ahmed / TM Dilshan, letting the frustrations out and abusing fellow team mates (which I hope isn't the case) then I doubt it would have any good effect overall on the team.

[jaybro]

What happened to Madziva anyway? He never seems to be in the team, even though he has done reasonably well in the past. Has he had injuries or been overseas during the last couple of years?

I also worry that Vitori's pace came from the bend in his arm. Hopefully if he bowls legally it doesn't bring him down into the 120s.

Madziva fell out of favour when Streak took over as he looked to bring back Mpofu and blood youngsters Blessing, Ngarava & Mumba. Streak has always favoured taller bowlers so Madziva didn’t fit the bill. He also failed to take advantage of his chances in A series against Afghanistan & South Africa. I think (only guessing) that he lost interest or his drive to make the national team because he knew Streak didn’t rate him, that’s why his numbers fell away so badly for the Rhinos?

You’re right about Vitori and his arm generating his pace but I think he still worth a try to see what he can do with a remodelled action.

[jaybro]

I hope I’m wrong about the divide thing and maybe it’s just that BT is a grump prick and yells at everyone?

There always divides in playing groups, not everyone can get along. Look at the Australian team that dominated for nearly two decades, it’s all come out that Warney pretty much hated everyone in the side