Bangladesh Pace Attack

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Re: Bangladesh Pace Attack

Post by Kriterion_BD » Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:39 am

jaybro wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:21 am
Difference is Southee and Boult got 6 wickets each
Difference is the batsmen they were bowling too. If the Kiwi batters threw their wickets away, Mehidy might have bagged a couple more. Majority of Boults wickets and all of Southee’s were from regular deliveries. No extragavent lateral movement or deviation.

I suspect Wellington will also be a flat pitch but with a lot of wind gusts.
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Re: Bangladesh Pace Attack

Post by jaybro » Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:34 am

Look at it what ever way you like Kriterion but there’s only one way you can look at Mehidy’s stats, horrible in NZ & South Africa only useful on the sub-continent and the Caribbean where conditions are in his favour.
1.G.Flower 2.B.Taylor 3.M.Goodwin 4.A.Flower 5.D.Houghton 6.N.Johnson 7.T.Taibu 8.P.Strang 9.H.Streak 10.R.Price 11.H.Olonga 12.A.Campbell

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Re: Bangladesh Pace Attack

Post by sloandog » Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:43 pm

jaybro wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:34 am
Look at it what ever way you like Kriterion but there’s only one way you can look at Mehidy’s stats, horrible in NZ & South Africa only useful on the sub-continent and the Caribbean where conditions are in his favour.
I agree with this, a lot.
I'd like to see the kid start taking some wickets outside of Asia before I shower too much praise on him.
Clearly one for the future and he's very accurate, but the wickets outside on Asia have been too few and far between.
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Re: Bangladesh Pace Attack

Post by sloandog » Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:46 pm

I want to see that leg spinner back in, who terrorised Zimbabwe in the 2014 series.
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Re: Bangladesh Pace Attack

Post by Kriterion_BD » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:08 pm

jaybro wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:34 am
Look at it what ever way you like Kriterion but there’s only one way you can look at Mehidy’s stats, horrible in NZ & South Africa only useful on the sub-continent and the Caribbean where conditions are in his favour.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... pe=bowling

This decade, major Asian spinners averages in SSB (swing/seam/bounce) countries of Australia, England, South Africa, and New Zealand:

Herath - 42.90
Ashwin - 43.37
Jadeja - 40.28
Yasir - 58.21
Dilruwan Perera - 94.33

Mehidy - 126.83
Shakib - 39.80

Yes, Miraz is far worse than all other Asian spinners, even Perera. But he's also just 21 and has only played 4 matches. I would definitely give him some more time.

Similarly the BD pacers rank the worst as a group in SSB Tests, but I would give this current group a decent run because I think they can lend some balance. Jayed swings the new ball as well as any BD seamer has. Ebadat has some pace (140 km/h) and Khaled can get some bounce with his height. What all 3 need work on is their stamina so that they can bowl effectively beyond the first spell. All 3 bowled well in their first spells Jayed was moving the ball into the left handers and was proving tough to get away due his accurate line on the stumps. Ebadat beat the outside a few times and got the outside edge on his second ball bowled. Khaled was just bowling a nagging line and length at 135 clicks and had conceded just 6 runs from his first 6 overs.

The BD pacers are used to bowling just 20 overs in an entire first class match back home. So its natural that they need some time to get used to bowling 20 per day in a Test. My hope is the coaching staff supports them.
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Re: Bangladesh Pace Attack

Post by Kriterion_BD » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:10 pm

sloandog wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:46 pm
I want to see that leg spinner back in, who terrorised Zimbabwe in the 2014 series.
It was mostly Shakib and Taijul in 2014. Jubair should have been persisted with, but apparently his work ethic was subpar and apart from that he must have pissed the wrong people off as he's not even getting to play in domestic games when there are almost no leg spinners in the country.

The newest leg spinner is Rishad Hossain, a tall 17 yo leggie from the U-19 team.
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Re: Bangladesh Pace Attack

Post by jaybro » Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:24 am

Bangladesh pace attack again getting pasted on a green deck, the Fizz going at over 5 an over. Jayed unlucky he's had Taylor dropped a few times, been the pick of the bowlers, Taijurl doing a better job than Mehidy
1.G.Flower 2.B.Taylor 3.M.Goodwin 4.A.Flower 5.D.Houghton 6.N.Johnson 7.T.Taibu 8.P.Strang 9.H.Streak 10.R.Price 11.H.Olonga 12.A.Campbell

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Re: Bangladesh Pace Attack

Post by Kriterion_BD » Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:23 am

jaybro wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:24 am
Bangladesh pace attack again getting pasted on a green deck, the Fizz going at over 5 an over. Jayed unlucky he's had Taylor dropped a few times, been the pick of the bowlers, Taijurl doing a better job than Mehidy
Jayed and Ebadat have so far outbowled Boult and Southee with the new ball. The difference has been with the old ball and Wagner running rampant with his bouncers. Of course NZ proving they have one of the best batting lineups in the world as well.

4th innings on the tour and Boult is finally getting some movement with the new ball. No movement for Southee.
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Re: Bangladesh Pace Attack

Post by jaybro » Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:16 am

I think it’s a stretch to say Jayed and Edadat have our bowled Boult and Southee
1.G.Flower 2.B.Taylor 3.M.Goodwin 4.A.Flower 5.D.Houghton 6.N.Johnson 7.T.Taibu 8.P.Strang 9.H.Streak 10.R.Price 11.H.Olonga 12.A.Campbell

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Re: Bangladesh Pace Attack

Post by Kriterion_BD » Tue Mar 12, 2019 5:30 am

jaybro wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:16 am
I think it’s a stretch to say Jayed and Edadat have our bowled Boult and Southee
Until this 4th innings they had with the caveat of new ball spells only. Bangladesh's openers have put on stands of 57, 88, 75, and 4 runs. And the bulk of those overs were bowled by Boult and Southee. By comparison NZ's openers were both gone for a score of 8 for 2 (from 8 overs) in this game (Raval had a soft dismissal, but Latham was undone by a peach of a delivery from Jayed). In the first Test Latham was dropped on naught, regulation slip catch, granted that was a ordinary delivery from Ebadat. But Jayed and Ebadat bowled very tidy and probing spells in that game.

This last innings was the first time that Boult really got the ball to move around in his first spell - and he got Tamim 2nd ball.

My summary - from what I have seen so far of this series:

Negatives:

1) the importance of Mushy and Shakib was really felt. Shakib had scored 217 in Wellington last time, and Mushy contributed 159 as BD had scored 595-8 declared and earned a first innings lead.

2) Mominul's inability to score. He was out twice leaving short balls down the leg side, caught by the keeper. He was out this way once in South Africa. Minor technique flaw as the shot selection is correct, its just he's a touch late on the execution. The problem is his other dismissals are mostly due to terrible shot selection and the remaining 25% due to genuinely good deliveries (like the one he got from Boult last night).

3) Mithun, Liton, Soumya are almost surely out of their depth here. Yes, Soumya hit a superb 149. However, he lacks consistently. Hitting a big score once every 20 innings won't help the team compete. Also he plays almost exclusively in the air. I bet his 149 had plenty of shots hit uppishly. Mithun and Liton have not had any sizeable scores all series.

4) Pace bowlers fatigue easily. In Hamilton NZ were scoring at under 3 an over for the first 10 overs. In Wellington they were 8 for 2 in the 9th over. The first spell is terrific and then they start going for 5 an over. Understandable given their lack of experience and the fact that in BD domestic games the seamers probably bowl 20 overs in an entire 4-dayer, but here they are required to bowl that many in a single day. Hopefully they will improve their fitness as they gain experience.

5) Fielding. Slip fielding is the absolute worst. I doubt we take even 50% of the regulation catches off the quicks. Pakistani fans often say that Wasim would have taken 100 more wickets had he had the slippers from any other country. Well, if Wasim bowled with Bangladesh's slippers, he would have scarcely taken 100 wickets total! Again exposure is the key. Our close in catchers used to suck against spin because we rarely played on turning tracks that brought our spinners into the game. We are now much better (although still just mediocre), but that happened only because we now play on dustbowls at home.

Positives:

1) Shadman has looked promising. No big scores, but is consistently getting scores and playing some top notch shots as well. Largely unfazed by the short stuff too. Just needs a little experience and he will be the first to say that he needs to get some big scores instead of cute little 30s in every innings. Best thing is he hasn't been dismissed for under 25 at all this tour.

2) Seamers have shown some potential as well. Jayed and Ebadat in particular have moved the ball around a bit. Ebadat has a bit of pace and can extract some bounce with his height. Khaled has been less impressive, but could find a niche as a workhorse who just plugs away at a line and length. Jayed's pace has been higher than I expected bowling consistently in the low 130s, and Ebadat and Khaled have been slower than expected bowling at around 135 on average.
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