Bizarre story about Taylor and Cremer

[Lou]

Just a quick question totally off subject. Im having a blonde moment. How do you do pm's on here???

[aydee]

Just to add my two cents...

The world is not the same place it was inthe 50s. Many countries, especially somewhere like England, are now very multicultural places. To be perfectly honest, if the England team DIDN'T have players from many different backgrounds, then it would not be representative of the nation... Also, where do you draw the line? People often mention Strauss and Prior when talking about the England team, as they were both born in Joburg. However, they have spent the majority of their lives in England, sound entirely English, and have played all their cricket in England. Therefore, they are surely as qualified as it is possible to be... I don't remember this being an issue with the large number of players of asian heritage who have played fro England in the recent past, many of whom were not born in the country. I believe the likes of Nasser Hussain, Owais Shah, Usman Afzaal, Vikram Solanki and U19 skipper Azzem Rafiq were all born in India or Pakistan, yet this was never an issue.

That said, I was said to see Eoin Morgan playing for England, as if you add him and Ed Joyce to Ireland's middle order, that would make them a VERY competitive side. How are they supposed to take the step to the next level, if their results are held back by the fact that they don't have the two players who would be of genuine international quality? I don't really blame the players, they simply wouldn't have got the opportunies playing solely for Ireland, Morgan wouldn't have an IPL contract for example, but it is very sad for Irish cricket, and makes it seem very unlikely that they will ever be able to play test cricket, or challenge the big boys consistently...

[CrimsonAvenger]

Coming back to the topic of the thread... Here's the latest, again from RadioVop Zimbabwe: http://news.radiovop.com/index.php/spor ... /3457.html

Harare, March 20, 2010 - The Zimbabwe cricketers who breached their 48-transit visitors after disappearing in England returned to the country on Friday night but are set to be hauled before a disciplinary hearing.

It has been established that three cricketers breached their visitor in transit visas in the United Kingdom. The other cricketer is Charles Coventry. In our earlier report we reported that two Zimbabwe cricketers Graeme Cremer and Brendan Taylor had gone missing in England enroute to Zimbabwe following their tour of the West Indies.

The Zimbabwe cricket squad arrived in the country on Thursday minus the two players amid fears that they might have defected.

People who wish to enter the UK for a short period, for example to visit relatives or do business, before continuing their journey to another country, do not qualify as visitors in transit.

Sources said the three cricketers will be hauled to a disciplinary and are likely to be suspended for tainting the image of Zimbabwe Cricket.

This is not the first time that Zimbabwe sportspersons have defected in the United Kingdom. In 2004 six CAPS United players decided not come to back to Zimbabwe when the club played a controversial friendly match in the United Kingdom.

Crèmer – a leg spinner made his Test debut against Bangladesh in Dhaka on January 6, 2005, a match that Zimbabwe went on to lose handing the Bangladeshi Tigers their first ever Test match victory.

Cremer then played Tests against South Africa and New Zealand. Unfortunately Cremer, seen by many as a Test specialist, had his opportunities limited thereafter due to Zimbabwe's self-imposed exile from Test cricket. After several years on the fringes of the national team Cremer finally broke into the limited overs squad against the West Indies in late 2005.

Taylor made his debut for Zimbabwe at a time when many of the country's leading players rebelled against Zimbabwe Cricket (formally known as the Zimbabwean Cricket Union) and made themselves unavailable to represent the side.

He is a good all-round player, who has in the past been successful bowling off-break deliveries. He was recently Zimbabwe's first choice wicketkeeper until the return of Tatenda Taibu behind the stumps.

Despite his young age, Taylor is among the most experienced players in the current Zimbabwean team, and is considered the team's best batsman with 11 ODI half-centuries to his name, and a top ODI score of 98.

[gusmackayworldwide]

imagine 5 pakistanis in the Indian team who moved for IPL money!

Less of the racism man. I'm not even an administrator of the forum but i know when somebody steps over that line

Hello this is Zimdog on a alternative account, i plan on doing only 1 post on this account. Firing one shot.

Sloandog im getting annoyed with your personal barbs at me.

What exactly was racist about my hypothetical situation about 5 pakistanis playing in the Indian team?

Nothing, thats what. Maehara i must say im a little disappointed you took action based on that as thre was no racism WHATSOEVER.

I used that hypothesy because there is bad blood between the 2 countries politically. Further, there is nothing saying that it couldnt happen in the same way how Africans are playing for England. Because of the politics, im sure alot of Indians will be annoyed at this hypothetical situation and it is not different than this situation and could fester in an ugly day for cricket. India would likely be a target considering it is now financially viable to play in that market, JUST as it is to play county cricket in England - this money is what has led to all the players switching allegiance to England...

To be honest thats just common sense and to say i 'crossed the line with racism there' is quite simply a moronic accusation to make. You dont see me attacking you for your terrible grammar and spelling skills do you Sloan?


One last note.... to everyone saying 'it is ok because it is just a job and we move employers all the time'.

Thats a VERY sad outlook on international cricket if you truly believe that. Test matches are tribal, it gives people a chance to buff their chest and show pride that their kin are out there, on the field, in a war playing for your country. The appeal of international cricket has always been just as much on an emotive level than it is a spectacle.

Like Maehara said...theres no problem with this happening at club level.....but quite frankly this becomes a JOKE when international players are switching allegiances to new countries like a new haircut.

The fact i even have to reinforce that notion makes me dumbfounded.

As for Ireland and their situation.
Morgan has already switched allegiance. Porterfield either has already switched or will as soon as he is picked for England.

Way to go England, you just killed an upcoming cricketing nation by poaching their 2 best players. Ireland will NEVER emerge as a force in world cricket, because as soon as they do start developing players of serious talent, England will poach them at county level, because of geographical proximity thats where they WILL be playing their cricket.

My gut feel tells me Zim wont be behind, in my head i dont want Zim to produce another Andy flower superstar. He will be stolen at a young age. Im hoping they produce players of the Blignaut and Sean Ervine variety. Classy but not world class. Thats the only chance Zim have of being competitive i believe........even with that, Ervines already tried to switch.


Hopefully Zim dog is back in a week when the suspension ends!

[zimfan1]

Back to the original topic, there is no mention in this story in either the Zimbabwe Sunday mail or the Zimbabwe.

This may well be a fuss over nothing.

[sloandog]

You dont see me attacking you for your terrible grammar and spelling skills do you Sloan?

Because i respect the forum and our administrator i'm not going to spill my guts over you ZIMDOGGY. I'd much prefer it if you kept your stupid little comments to yourself, that would be much appreciated. And all i said was less of the racism. Seriously if you take offence to that perhpas you shouldn't be on the forum.

[zimfan1]

Lets just finish this topic right here and get back to the cricket. We have a very exciting year coming up with the World T20 a try series against india and the continuing improvement in our domestic scene. Lets not get caught up in criticizing each others personalities.

Go Zim

[sloandog]

Lets just finish this topic right here and get back to the cricket. We have a very exciting year coming up with the World T20 a try series against india and the continuing improvement in our domestic scene.

True. I'm really looking forward to the tri-series. Will give us an excellent insight as to where we are at this stage in terms of playing the bigger teams. Against the West Indies we were very competative, especially with the ball. So i'm really ecited to see who performs, and who plays. Maybe we'll see a fresh face or two, perhaps Terrance Duffin or Foster Mutizwa

[sloandog]

Excited **

[zimfan1]

Lets just finish this topic right here and get back to the cricket. We have a very exciting year coming up with the World T20 a try series against india and the continuing improvement in our domestic scene.

True. I'm really looking forward to the tri-series. Will give us an excellent insight as to where we are at this stage in terms of playing the bigger teams. Against the West Indies we were very competative, especially with the ball. So i'm really ecited to see who performs, and who plays. Maybe we'll see a fresh face or two, perhaps Terrance Duffin or Foster Mutizwa

Dont think we will see Duffin has he has been out injured and just has not had enough cricket. I do think that the likes of Strydom, Chitara and Meth may have a shout.

But in terms of the T20 world cup, i think that Gavin Ewing, Andy Blignaut, Douggie Marriler, Keegen Meth, Justice Chibabha,Forster Mutizwa and even Craig Ervine are all in with a shout of making the squad.

Out of the team which toured the West Indies i think Matsikenyeri is as good as gone and question marks have to be asked of the likes of Sibanda and even possibly Lamb, i will excuse Taylor from this for now as he has consistency performed in the past.