Mangongo Speaks Out On Sean Williams

[Jemisi]

7 in the team or the squad??

Because 7 in the squad is neither here nor there.

7 in the team means raza plus 3 whites max.

[zimbos_05]

Actually- that is pretty much a spot on report.

Not sure it was necessary to detail it in public- SM at least had the decency in his interview to not delve into the nitty gritty.
GM is probably happy it's his pants that aren't down.
Anyway, there you have it....senseless stupidity by Williams and also a reflection that player/s are too afraid to enter into dialogue with the coach about their training and needing rest.
On another note, Colthards' allegations of racism..........
It has been brought to light that there is currently still a quota system in ZC where under NO CIRCUMSTANCES must there be less than 7 black players in the national squad---help me out, when was the last time there were less than 7 black players?? 2003??

Given Mangongos record, i find this a bit hard to believe. By all accounts you are suggesting Mangongo was level headed, was willing to talk to Sean in a respectable and calm manner, and for some reason Sean just snapped?

No manager in the world just refuses to allow a player a chance to explain themselves and train with the team for no extremely valid reason, especially if that player is one of the few world class players that you have. I agree with sloandog, why would Williams choose to lie about a family member dying? If players feel the need to lie to their manager, then there is clearly an issue between the manager, his style, and the playing staff. Managers should not be feared, but players should feel as if they can approach them whenever they needs be.

Lets not forget, this is a ZC board known for lying, manipulation, and playing to ZANU PF policy. There reasonings in the past, their policy, their ideas, all have had nothing to do with impartiality and fairness. I accept Williams must take some blame in this, but Mangongo is not the angel being made out.

[jimmylesaint]

Zimbos-5 Yes SM said to Willy, there will be a disciplinary hearing. Then Willy let rip with his thoughts.
Basically it is a cluster fuck and if you rewind to parliament questions last year where it is in fact Manase who describes "underlying, secret white forces at work to derail ZC" or similar. You'll realise that murungu is being weeded and Chingoka was the better option.

Frankly the players Union is weak and needs to actually be strong enough that a coach like SM can be sent for a disciplinary at the players union.

[Conant]

I haven't missed the attempt y forumers to divert attention from Sean Williams' disgraceful behaviour to the so called quota system.

We don't need it; there are always six or seven black players available on merit anyway. That it does exist is neither here nor there but that's an argument for another day.

Forumers, me thinks Steven Mangongo deserves an apology from all of you.

Sloan mate, I believe you reasonably objective and unbiased most times but you don't think a fellow would report a false death of maybe a grandmother or aunt in a family to miss one or two days of work?' That is naïve. Lazy black workers in South Africa do it, blacks in Zimbabwe do it, and lazy white people will do it too. Not that colour has anything to do with it but you get my point. Many people do it, of different religions even.

But I digress. Witness again how people were still able willing to bet Steven Mangongo was the offending party despite even jimmylesaint, surely no favourite person of mine, confirming that Sean Williams had thrown diatribe at the coach, whatever might have occurred between them.

In my culture, you do not answer to an elder, even though he may be wrong. You tuck your tails between your legs and look for appropriate recourse, at an appropriate time.

In my view the coach and management went out of their way to accommodate Williams and even after he had been outed as an infertile liar, he nevertheless was boarding that plane to Bangladesh. Only, management was going to institute a disciplinary action against him for the offence. Instead of Sean humbly taking his punishment, which might have constituted a fine, he threw a tantrum instead. Not only a tantrum, but abused the coach as well. Now tell me fellow friends, does this boy not deserve to be expelled?
No, Steven Mango is the coach, has coached most of these players since young age and it is illuminating how many think Tatenda Taibu Might have "stood up" to the coach. In my knowledge Taibu has the utmost respect of Mangongo. So do most of these "docile players" who understand respect and tradition.

By the way, weren't most us us here schooled at former Group A schools of "seniority" where whatever the senior says goes? Disgraceful tradition too it may be, but there. So let us not pretend we are living in a first world country of elaborate equality by all. "Pasi nema-hypocrites," says that distasteful slogan. Yet, pasi nema hypocrites.

Of course these is a professional sport and therefore should be a professional set up. But the diatribe against Mangongo, eight months on, is unwarranted.

[zimbos_05]

I haven't missed the attempt y forumers to divert attention from Sean Williams' disgraceful behaviour to the so called quota system.

We don't need it; there are always six or seven black players available on merit anyway. That it does exist is neither here nor there but that's an argument for another day.

Forumers, me thinks Steven Mangongo deserves an apology from all of you.

Biggest crock of shite i have read. An apology? for what?


Firstly, why is it only black players? What about players of other cultures or race. Personally if we really are picking on form and we are picking a batsman, then does a century by Moor not warrant selection?

It is total racial quota, and Mangongos record does not speak in his favour in this matter. Yes jimmy is saying one thing, and perhaps i believe him a bit more, but on the balance of things, there was always going to be questions asked of him, especially as this is one of our world class players we are talking about. Mangongo is going to live off the Aus win forever. If anything, the ground staff deserve more credit for that win than he does.

I have already said that i do not absolve blame from Williams, but i just find it really hard to believe that a player could snap at such a simple thing of being put a disciplinary hearing. Speaking of which, in which team do disciplinary hearings happen for a player who has returned late from a personal family matter. These things are discussed and dealt with by the player and the coach.

I agree with jimmy in relation to the players union. They need to be more united and stronger. THe thing is, if the current crop up and go, there is every likelihood that they will just pluck some youngsters and feed them some crap about playing for your country, then when they realise and bugger off, theyll do the same again. ZC do not care for the game. Mangongo does not care for the team. The players are the pawns in all of the board and managers desires.

[zimfan1]

Interestingly Solomon Mire is not in Zimbabwe as therefore did not attend the training camp. Double standards anyone? (He didn't lie about an ill relative though )

Just can't get my head around the Mire selection at all!!!

[eugene]

Mangongo is a moron, but Williams is clearly in the wrong here.

[Kriterion_BD]

As an outsider I probably have the most neutral view here. It all boils down to whether Williams lied about his family emergency. That's the only thing that really matters. The positive thing is that Williams has shown remorse and should train his butt off for the World Cup. Certainly will be missed in the Bangladesh series.

[jimmylesaint]

In my culture, you do not answer to an elder, even though he may be wrong. You tuck your tails between your legs and look for appropriate recourse, at an appropriate time.

Hahahahahaha oh my Conant, you just described the problem with the players, village mentality, afraid to dare challenge their errant coach, how do you expect them to challenge another cricket team??Capitulate if the bowler is older than the Zim batsman? Hahahaha, great piece you hastly put together but many errors as usual.
One of them errors is pretending that there are no racial quotas, there are and they even trickle down to club level. Why are you desperately trying to deny this, are you afraid to admit that the ZC admin is just as racist and oppressive as the earlier boards or even the Smith government?Are you afraid to admit that the warning Nietzsche gives has not been heeded and in fact you have become the monster you once hated?Certainly in some of your vitriolic diatribe you come across as a really bitter and angry person.
I'm pretty sure in the 80s-90s the ZC board was biased/racist to a degree, perhaps in choosing black players but definitely in choosing admin positions.
As for Williams "disgraceful behaviour"- yes he shouldn't have porky pied.
He is quite ok to swear and curse at Mangongo, as that is what Mangongo does to him and the other players(which is why Mangongo is owed no apology). Tradition and culture can get stuffed(and believe it or not it is also white culture that gives respect to the elders-and yes some of us can jump too.)
The reality is also this:- ZC once again has breached all their contracts as monies are outstanding still from the last trinations series 10's of thousands of dollars per player!!! Why the players decided on not striking was a silly choice..but this also illustrates the frustration from the players that they are training every day and not being paid,plus being insulted by the coach. I'm actually wondering why only Williams has had the balls to tell the coach to do one. After just getting back from Harare I also doubt that franchise players will be paid at the end of November-if the seasons starts on the 8th.

What i'm wanting to achieve is a system that works on a meritocracy, i don't want a flawed system that works on race,religion etc I don't want a system that works on tradition and culture and nepotism. I want a system that is based on merit.I don't want a system that hides behind pathetic sideline issues such as no zim passport no play, a system that ignores our wealth of talent overseas whom are legible for selection. If this is what you want Conant, then you are welcome to jump aboard and help its' realisation come to fruition. If it is not what you want, well pal, the world has moved on and racist bigots have no place in sport.

[SpitfiresKent]

As for Williams "disgraceful behaviour"- yes he shouldn't have porky pied.

Woah...woah...woah, has this actually been confirmed that he lied about his sick relative?