[Match Thread] Ireland v Zimbabwe (World Cup Pool B)

[zimbos_05]

I cant wait to see what Dav has to say.

The worst thing about this whole thing is that once the world cup is over. We go back to zim and our limited international schedule. We will struggle for any sort of development and competition and then when its time for 2019 to come around, we might not even qualify. ICC dont care about us minnows.

Ireland are way too arrogant. How could the umpires not see for themselves and decide to go with the word of the fielder. We can criticise Regis for his stupid shot in the last over and so on, but in reality, we should not have umpires making such crucial calls that they are costing us the games. In the last 3 matches, commentators have all agreed we have been hard done by. Its annoying and crap. Knowing that the fielder insisted that his foot did not touch the rope makes me hate the irish even more.

One of the posters wrote about a rivalry. Id like to see us build one. Go home, practice, train, get stuck in. Educate some of these guys on how to play with a straight bat. Then invite the irish over and destroy them. They want test status, lets play a five day game and show them what test is all about.

[zimbos_05]

Guys umpire's error canceled out because the umps missed Williams' front foot no ball + resultant free hit off Gary Wilson. Wilson was given out on that no ball. Plus Mooney's contact with the boundary looked so minimal its likely he really thought it was a clean catch.

No Balls are missed all the time. Umpires can go to videos if they feel it is a no ball. The difference is that was missed. This was actually looked at. There was clear evidence to show it moved and yet the umpire was not man enough to make the decision.

[brmtaylor.com admin]

Guys umpire's error canceled out because the umps missed Williams' front foot no ball + resultant free hit off Gary Wilson. Wilson was given out on that no ball. Plus Mooney's contact with the boundary looked so minimal its likely he really thought it was a clean catch.

Gary who?
It's pretty hard to argue that the Williams decision made a smaller impact on the match than the one you are referring to.

And anyway, there's a difference between the umpire not noticing it and the third umpire reviewing it - having conclusive evidence - and still not overturning it.
Yet apparently when Taylor sweeps against WI and misses his bat, that's plenty of evidence to overturn a decision.

No if ands buts, Zimbabwe have been screwed by the umpires repeatedly in this WC.

[Kriterion_BD]

Guys umpire's error canceled out because the umps missed Williams' front foot no ball + resultant free hit off Gary Wilson. Wilson was given out on that no ball. Plus Mooney's contact with the boundary looked so minimal its likely he really thought it was a clean catch.

Gary who?
It's pretty hard to argue that the Williams decision made a smaller impact on the match than the one you are referring to.

And anyway, there's a difference between the umpire not noticing it and the third umpire reviewing it - having conclusive evidence - and still not overturning it.
Yet apparently when Taylor sweeps against WI and misses his bat, that's plenty of evidence to overturn a decision.

No if ands buts, Zimbabwe have been screwed by the umpires repeatedly in this WC.

I'm not arguing the procedure here, but just because the umpires didn't see it mean it didn't happen. Just like umpires ruled Williams out, but he was in fact not out. Wilson was doing a pretty good hitting job 25 off 13 and would have had a free hit also. He could have taken to Ireland to 340 or 350 even and Williams could have gotten put next ball also. Or not. Anything could have happened and there is no use talking hypotheticals.

The only thing we know for a fact is that the umpires, on field and third, made 2 gross errors which balance out, IMO as a neutral observer. I'm sure Irish fans think they're Wilson call robbed them of posting 350 just like Zim fans think the Williams decision cost them the game. The Mooney catch was an issue of millimeters, and any benefit of doubt should have gone to the batter, but this was clear cut not out. The Wilson dismissal should also have been reversed and the umpires missed a huge no ball where Williams missed the crease by 2-3 inches.

Both calls were wrong. Both players could have changed the outcome of a game separated by 5 runs.

I agree against PAK you missed 3 no ball calls...so you can understand how big the issue is especially on a wicket. I'm only commenting on this game as I didn't watch the Pak game.

[CrimsonAvenger]

Done with the first round of outraging and now that I'm back with some calm head, the ultimate questions are:

1. Why did Williams leave the field?
2. Was he initially given out by the on field umpires and then they decided to go for the 3rd umpire? Why would they do that on their own unless Williams asked them to review / stood his ground OR the fielder said he was unsure?
3. It did not appear as though they gave him out nor did Williams stand his ground. And Mooney did not say he was unsure too. So, was he not given out all along?
4. If he was not given out, why on earth did Williams walk off? Was he taking the fielder's word? It is the umpires' call to acknowledge that the batsman has taken the fielder's word and declare him out. Did that happen?
5. When the 3rd umpire is clearly reviewing the call, what happens if the player has walked off and has crossed the boundary line? Can he be called back according to the laws? If not, what would that situation be treated as? Batsman having accepted himself as out?

This might all come back to, according to the laws, Williams being naive and losing his mind and choking at the most important moment of the game if the events of those 5 minutes are clearly explored. If the 3rd umpire had the power to bring him back though, the error clearly rests with the ICC. Can someone look for videos of what was happening in the playing area while the replays were being checked?

By the way, it was great to see Tom Moody on air being clear and backing us all along during live commentary and on the post match show.

[Googly]

What I want to know is if this is going to affect our membership status. We must be flirting with disaster by now?

[ZIMDOGGY]

i cant help feel we really need coventry where regis shoulda been.

Surely they could have got these guys back for the cup

[FlowerPower]

I can smell a county contract knocking on the door for at least one of Taylor/Williams. Williams has been incredible this world cup, and Taylor has scored a ton in a big, high stakes game in front of a lot of English commentators. The second these both go we're done for, like seriously done for.

Feared exactly the same. Wouldn't blame them though but yep the cupboard is bare

[FlowerPower]

Williams dismissal was a turning point but that's sport for you...remember he got a wicket off a glaring no ball.

Rationally/impartially the Irish deserved their with huge help from our bowlers. If Zim was that much better we wouldn't be pointing to moments of lack of luck. Joyce should've been taken on 34. Bowlers should've been better top order should've done better. Overall their efforts were better.

I do hope Watmore stays. I do hope we unearth a couple of Chataras and I do hope we don't lose Taylor and Williams... Too many wishes...

[ZIMDOGGY]

Ive seen a few cryptic hints that both Sean and Taylor are off.
No guarantees, no promises, but i have been around long enough to know whre there is smoke theres fire and what kinda smoke makes a fire.

Bad news is Sloans right. One will go.

Good news is neither of them are lost in the sense that a good counteroffer from ZC will keep them.