You know that without asking, surely. Members'll claim anyone who canbavuma_rabada wrote:Nonetheless it would be interesting to know what are the reasons for this forum claiming them.
I thought England (or is it the ECB) had implemented certain laws. In a few years it looks like they will have had Ballance, Sam & Tom play for them, plus Welch if some here are to be believed. It leaves me with a burning questioning. What was their point in all of this, and which bright English citizens did they appease?maehara wrote:You know that without asking, surely. Members'll claim anyone who can
a) claim enough of a Zimbabwean heritage to meet qualification requirements; and
b) wield a bat / throw a ball.
(Personally, I've minimal interest in people who have given no indication of being interested in turning out for Zim, but hey, since when has beating a dead horse ever stopped a thread around here...)
All the more reason why I called for junior&senior international representation at any level (u13, u15, u17, u19, A team etc) to be reserved only for those who harbour intentions to play for their home country and commit to never playing for any other nation. Think of the many Chataras and Chakabva who never came through because their place was taken up by a James Cameron who failed and resigned to commerce, or a Gary Ballance who might never be a permanent fixture in the English side.foreignfield wrote:2010 BancABC U-13 Cricket Week: Player of the tournament, captaining Mountaineers
2011 ZC Awards Winner: Best School Cricketer
Zimbabwe U-13s & U-14s
How do you know whether a 13, 15, etc year old harbours intentions to play for their country? How do you even know they'll keep playing cricket instead of pursuing some other profession?bavuma_rabada wrote:All the more reason why I called for junior&senior international representation at any level (u13, u15, u17, u19, A team etc) to be reserved only for those who harbour intentions to play for their home country and commit to never playing for any other nation. Think of the many Chataras and Chakabva who never came through because their place was taken up by a James Cameron who failed and resigned to commerce, or a Gary Ballance who might never be a permanent fixture in the English side.
None of those things can be known with certainty that's for sure. This is an old debate remember and I;ve addressed those very questions you ask before. What happens to you after doesn't matter. What matters is playing for Zim/SA u13, u15, u17 and u19 then winding up in the Ashes. It's not fair to Zimbabweans and South Africans...or the English for that matter.brmtaylor.com admin wrote:How do you know whether a 13, 15, etc year old harbours intentions to play for their country? How do you even know they'll keep playing cricket instead of pursuing some other profession?
Pick the best team.
Saying they come over for money effectively amounts to accusing them of being greedy, opportunistic and selfish.Vaughan was critical of the number of players being imported "for many, many years" and said he had "a bit of a problem" with South Africans changing nationalities to further their sporting careers.
"It's a very tricky one. Someone like Kevin Pietersen made the decision very early to come over to England and he learnt a lot of his cricket here," said Vaughan in comments reported in the Independent. "[But] I do have a problem when the likes of Jonathan Trott [play for England], and [Craig] Kieswetter, who's played for the South African Under-19s. I think in Trott's case even played for the South African A team. Now that is where I have a problem, that we have almost got a 'ship-in' system of looking at talent, and a lot of them come over for the money.
"It's very, very difficult to stop them. I would like to see, in an ideal world, 11 complete Englishmen in the team but I don't think that's ever going to be the case."
"It was a sad day for English cricket that on my last day against South Africa I saw Jonathan Trott celebrating with South Africa, when the week before he had been our 12th man at Headingley.
"I was going into the press conference and I saw him patting them on the back. It hit home what English cricket has become like."
Plenty of 19 year olds don't know what they are going to do with their lives, let alone 13 year olds. Maybe someone making an age group team and going on a tour is what makes them decide they want to play cricket for their country. Maybe it makes them realise they don't want to spend their life playing cricket.bavuma_rabada wrote:None of those things can be known with certainty that's for sure. This is an old debate remember and I;ve addressed those very questions you ask before. What happens to you after doesn't matter. What matters is playing for Zim/SA u13, u15, u17 and u19 then winding up in the Ashes. It's not fair to Zimbabweans and South Africans...or the English for that matter.