Zimbabwe bowling drain

[CricketGuru]

Zimdoggy wrote:
But fast bowling isn't a given coincidence of height.

There are many tall people who couldn't crack 100 who are tall.

im 6'4 and I cant bowl anywhere near it.

You can't be reasoning by comparison in 2016? really. How many arguments can we launch with this kind of reasoning because theres thousands of people in the world 6'4 or more who cant bowl.

Thats all besides the point. It seems like we don't know the qualities of a good bowler. A good test standard bowler:

1. Has reasonable pace (134kph+)
2. Has reasonable height to generate reasonable bounce.
3. Has variation in the form of either swing, seam, bounce.

In international cricket, you have to be very talented to trouble a batsmen bowling at less than 134kph. If you look at the best bowlers in the world like starc and steyn, they all swing the ball at 140kph+ and compare that with a medium pacer who swings the ball at 127kph.

It doesn't mean a good bowler has all the qualities listed above, either of the above are almost good enough. And not every bowler who bowls at 134kph has the variation to trouble most batsmen in the world

[CricketGuru]

the likes of anderson from england have no pace @
all but can swing the ball which is the best thing a
bowler can possess. whats striking in zim is we even
lack genuine swing bowlers & we have a bowling
coach who is being paid, for what? . trent boult was
bowling 127 km in the tests @ times but was causing
trouble because he possesses genuine swing both in
& out. i disagree that you should have a larger pool first
yes of coz it helps but what are you doing with the 5
you have, literally we have no young pace bowler in
the franchise coming through an intimidating fast
swing bowler .. ntini resorts to muzarabani, ncube, tiripano
those guys are shitte on the international stage for net
bowling yes for a test team no

James Anderson and Bolt both have average speeds of 135kph+ with highs of 140kph+ and very rare low speeds which touch less than 130kph+. If we keep this up we could be having a grade school debate.

[CricketGuru]

Tino Best is really short, a pocket rocket. A solid ball of muscle and no-one is comfortable against him.

Generally, tall bowlers generate good pace thats a fact but its not always the case. Very fast bowlers:

1. Have a fast run up.
2. Have a strong arm.
3. Have a good and quick release action.

Generally, tall people have a strong arm and it doesn't mean all tall people have one. But if you are tall and have a weak arm, you are sitting on potential. Tino Best has both a strong arm and fast run up which is why he bowls very fast.

[MidWest Rhinos]

The problem with producing truly quick bowlers in Zimbabwe lies with the coaching. Imagine a young tear-away who can bowl with genuine pace. Now think about how many balls in an over he hits a good line and length. Not often. The coach will invariably become incensed and tell him to concentrate on line and length. All of a sudden he's a medium pacer. Instead of putting in the effort to develop consistency and accuracy, it's easier and quicker to drop a few KPHs. We all know of bowlers who have gone away to work on their bowling and have returned with extra zip. It was always there, it just needed work, something our coaches and players (these guys especially) aren't all that fond of. I've seen franchise bowlers who rock up two weeks before the season to start working on their bowling. They've put the time in the gym, yes, but not on the right muscles. Anyone remember Chris Tremlett? Looked like he was auditioning for a Terminator remake. Lost some muscle bulk and became better for it. This is where coaching comes in. Getting the guy to do the right things and then honing their ability instead of squashing what makes him special and unique, his pace. A guy like Starc didn't just wake up one day with the ability to bowl very fast, hit a spot consistently, swing the ball, and be a smart bowler. He would have spent hours upon hours working on it.

Another problem we have is quicks returning from injury. How many coaches can properly handle a fast bowlers rehabilitation and know how many overs he should be bowling in a day? At the lower levels bowlers are left to their own devices. This goes for both their rehabilitation and general development. I'm guessing that there hasn't been a day in Starc's cricketing life where there wasn't someone at least monitoring him.

I also don't agree that really fast bowlers need to be tall. It does help with generating the bounce that discomforts batsmen but when one thinks of truly fast bowlers, 145+, how many stand over 6'2? Not a hell of a lot. Remember Danny Morrison? All 5'7 of him? Had a penchant for hitting guys. They reckon he was very quick when he got his tail up but didn't generate much bounce so could be played with relative ease. Remember when Shoaib topped 160? Knight dinked it for a single off his pads. Pace is one thing, add in bounce, a dash of swing and seam and now you've got a weapon. Height isn't a requisite but it does help.

[sloandog]

I've just been reading Alan Butchers book on the matter. The book itself is shit, genuinly very soft and not a lot of insight. Talks a lot more about the weather in the UK than he does about ZC.

But anyway, he mentioned that when he took over the reigns in 2009 there was an abundance of young, exciting quick bowlers who were taking wickets and bowling fast. He mentioned Jarvis, Vitori, Panyangara, Ian Nicholson, Anthony Ireland when he had that stint with the Southern Rocks, and (interestingly) a fella' called Campbell Macmillan, who played some B games and bowled in the nets at the national side. What happened there?

Anyway, he said by the time he left in 2013 the cupboard was dry and the young, exciting quicks had lost pace and gained weight. It's a Zimbabwean thing

[TapsC]

Chatara losing all that pace playing football and Vitori being banned were massive blows for me. those were 2 genuinely quick bowlers. to be honest our bowling department had been doing OK over the years starting around 2011 but we were so concerned about how terrible our batting was we forgot to continue developing the other departments. looking back I can't believe there was a point where we had 3 guys bowling at least 140kph plus spinners like prosper and cremer at our disposal at the same time.. that's why our test come back was actually decent.

Right now selection is key and hopefully the likes of Mumba Nyauchi and Madziva can prove their worth against the emerging sri Lanka side in the next few weeks. Jongwe should be much faster too, don't know what's going on with him.

[ZIMDOGGY]

Well,
There is people out there that can tip the 140.
Some are literally doing cricket wise nothing and working 9-5 jobs.

Get them back.
There's your short term solution.
I don't think you have to be a gifted salesman to convince a random civilian to come play test cricket.

Make it happen ZC. Just make it happen!

[zimbofan88]

I see that Keegan Meeth is still in Zim. The guy now looks ripped and in good shape.Do you guys know if he is interested in representing Zim again? He was one of the best swing bowler in Zim. He didn't get many opportunites in the national side, but he along with Querl were giving nightmares to most of our franchise players. He could bat too, somebody who could take our 7-8th batting spot in t-20 and ODIs.

[STONEMAN]

I've just been reading Alan Butchers book on the matter. The book itself is shit, genuinly very soft and not a lot of insight. Talks a lot more about the weather in the UK than he does about ZC.

But anyway, he mentioned that when he took over the reigns in 2009 there was an abundance of young, exciting quick bowlers who were taking wickets and bowling fast. He mentioned Jarvis, Vitori, Panyangara, Ian Nicholson, Anthony Ireland when he had that stint with the Southern Rocks, and (interestingly) a fella' called Campbell Macmillan, who played some B games and bowled in the nets at the national side. What happened there?

Anyway, he said by the time he left in 2013 the cupboard was dry and the young, exciting quicks had lost pace and gained weight. It's a Zimbabwean thing

CHATARA, PANAYANGARA, MADZIVA, TIRIPANO, NCUBE, CHINOYUA........ALL THESE ARE RUBBISH BOWLERS, NO SWING NO PACE, GETS SMASHED BRUTALLY....MORE THEY WILL PLAY, MORE WORST FOR ZIMBABWE WILL HAPPEN,THEIR TALENTS DOESN'T SHOW THAT THEY ARE CAPABLE OF TAKING 20 WICKETS IN TEST OR A TROUBLE GOOD BATSMAN.

VITORI WAS GOOD, BUT NOW HE IS AN ORDINARY BOWLER.

JARVIS, BOWIE, NICHOLSON, IRELAND WERE GOOD WITH SPEED & TALENT OF SWINGING THE BOWL

[STONEMAN]

Chatara losing all that pace playing football and Vitori being banned were massive blows for me. those were 2 genuinely quick bowlers. to be honest our bowling department had been doing OK over the years starting around 2011 but we were so concerned about how terrible our batting was we forgot to continue developing the other departments. looking back I can't believe there was a point where we had 3 guys bowling at least 140kph plus spinners like prosper and cremer at our disposal at the same time.. that's why our test come back was actually decent.

Right now selection is key and hopefully the likes of Mumba Nyauchi and Madziva can prove their worth against the emerging sri Lanka side in the next few weeks. Jongwe should be much faster too, don't know what's going on with him.

MUMBA, NYAUCHI, MADZIVA BOWLING LOOKS LIKE SPINNERS THEY ARE RUBBUSH