Northerns Vs Southerns (Sri Lanka Pre-Camp)

[lobsang]

Kaitano seriously can bat, I have watched cricket for last two decades on television and in stadium and played myself , and I know one or two thing about batting. And he likes to bat long not like Chigumbura whose body language pisses me off like he does not care whether he gets out or not. HONESTLY MANY OF YOU GUYS KNOW THAT CHIGUMBURA DOES NOT GIVE A SHIT WHETHER HE GETS OUT OR NOT. HIS BODY LANGUAGE IS SO POOR THAT EVERYONE IN THE TEAM WILL GET DEMORALISED.

[ZIMDOGGY]

Kaitano seriously can bat, I have watched cricket for last two decades on television and in stadium and played myself , and I know one or two thing about batting. And he likes to bat long not like Chigumbura whose body language pisses me off like he does not care whether he gets out or not. HONESTLY MANY OF YOU GUYS KNOW THAT CHIGUMBURA DOES NOT GIVE A SHIT WHETHER HE GETS OUT OR NOT. HIS BODY LANGUAGE IS SO POOR THAT EVERYONE IN THE TEAM WILL GET DEMORALISED.

Caps bro

[slcricfan1]

Kaitano batted great. Has all the shots. Seems very convincing on the cut and his pull shots remind me of a certain vusi Sibanda when they come off.
The flick shot for 6 off muzarabani was pretty neat and astounding.

I hope kaitano suprises a few people and gets the gig. He deserves two series to see if he has the goods which I think he has

Where did he come from? I don’t remember him playing U19’s?? Does anyone know much about him? It’s pretty rare to see a guy make the grade for Zimbabwe that didn’t come from the under 19s setup.

He's a Midlands boy originally, went to high school up at Churchill if I recall. Didn't make the U19 sides. Then went to (local) university and seemed to give up playing for a while. Re-emerged and impressed for Kadoma CC and then Muzvezve in the premier league before getting picked for Rhinos and making his franchise debut as a 24 year-old.

Was pretty ropey/poor at first but has made significant improvements over the past two seasons. I enjoyed his very divisive Test debut.

I like him. I don't think he is going to set the world alight, but in lieu of any other opener options I think he looks decent enough to be alright for a few years across formats for us.

Yeah honestly we just need a somehwat decent opening pair who wont lead us to 2/15 every game

[TapsC2]

https://www.herald.co.zw/zim-cricketers ... -uk-clubs/

Tiripano is going to the UK for some club cricket for the first time this year. This tells me he might be slowly on his way out. I don't know if it's possible for you to sign on for cricket elsewhere if you have a national contract as you would need a NOC. This is why PJ turned down a national contract last year. The COVID situation also means we will most likely be playing during our winter as well. So this is very interesting.

After what I saw Kaia and Kaitano do to him yesterday its pretty clear now that he isn't good enough at the highest level anymore

[Rajkumar Sharma]

ZC team management have failed to make a match winning allrounder in Tiripano. There is no one in the present lot who could strike the bowl as clearly as Tiripano, his franchise has played a role in shaping him as allrounder but some work was needed to be done with him to raise his game. After that knock in Bangladesh, he should have worked with power hitting coaches to up his game but have failed and turned out to be bits & pieces allrounder.

Still, he has a huge role to play in the T20 qualifiers

[Googly]

@Tinah09
I can't find the post, but you were saying that County cricket was not that good, but Ben Compton is the leading run scorer here so far this season, and Curran is up there and has played one or two less matches. Compton is a really good batsman, but is one of dozens that's not cemented his spot. Makes runs over there in bursts, has lean spells, plays Two's regularly and yet here he is at the top of our tree. Just to reiterate my point- a County Two's batsman is the leading run scorer.
He could easily find extended form, become a regular in One's and even find himself in the Lions squad after back to back hundreds, but again he's one of many that has the capacity to do that. As I said there are literally dozens of guys that have moved Counties at least once, have huge capacity, yet are searching for that elusive little bit extra that makes them more consistent. It's literally a game of millimeters.
If we played a middle of the road county side there would be about 7 of those batsmen in their line up, except they'd all probably be slightly better than Compton.
If a top tier county side toured we'd be up against 6 gun batsmen waiting to plunder.

[Tinah09]

We’ll never know if all county teams would demolish Zimbabwe national cricket. I was just saying that county cricket is no longer the top cricket league it used to be. Compton is a great player, but you make it sound as if he was miles ahead of local batsmen, Compton scored 251 runs in 8 games, Mutombodzi scored 221 runs in 6 games. That’s hardly wiping the floor with the local guys is it? We’ve had unremarkable players from Zimbabwe making it at county level e.g Antony Ireland (Mpofu was infinitely better, and that’s saying something), Dane Schadendorf (all his U19 teammates were better than him with the bat - Myers, Madhevere, Shumba, Marumani, Bawa). If stats still mean anything, we should stop deluding ourselves that every county cricketer is better than local Zim talent because that’s simply not true.

In my opinion, Australia and India have the strongest leagues in the world, both these countries can field TWO sets of national teams that can beat any country in the world. Khawaja and Borland were not supposed to play in the ashes but they now have a century and 5 for respectively. Bare in mind these two replaced Travis Head and Jhye Richardson who also have a ton and 5 for respectively in the ongoing ashes. India is giving SA hell without Rohit, Gill, Shaw, Pant, kohli, jadeja, isnath to name a few. All this while the 3rd highest run scorer (2020/1 season) in the invincible England National team are extras. British cricketing superiority is myth which should be put to bed

[Googly]

Jeez this is not an easy convo. I'm pointing out that he's a regular Two's player doing better than most of our national guys. He's a good player, not a great player. He's more organised in his innings and shot selection, because if you don't play like that in UK conditions you won't get into double figures very often. He's not miles ahead at all, but he's ahead of most. It's a game of millimeters, not miles.
No disrespect to Mutombodzi but he won't buy a run in County Firsts. He'd have to be good enough to learn his trade in Two's, meaning he'd have to bang some runs and impress in 3 outings in Second Team or he'd be back to club cricket. He'd have to get lucky and not face an angry First team seamer who's just been dropped as well. Who's coping with that pressure?

I never said every county batsman is better than our lads, but a large number are unfortunately. Its just a thumb suck but you'd probably find that the top 3 or 4 batters from most of the counties would make our national side. That's more than 50 people!! What we urgently need to do is to stop deluding ourselves that we are thereabouts because we have a lot of work to do here. You're only as good as your domestic system, with few exceptions. I'm sure we've had this post before, but which of our batsmen would make a County side in any format? Ervine and Williams maybe. A couple of others may get the nod as all-rounders, but as a pure batsman- eeish hardly anybody.

You've also misread Schardendorf based solely on his stats for that tournament and where he batted. He's at the very least on a par with those guys. I'm assuming you've never seen him play? He's a proper cricketer, and I will guarantee that he will look even more polished now. He's been in a professional 24/7 environment for a while. If you'd lined all those guys in order of ability back then it would probably be Myers and Schardendorf, then Madhevere and Bawa. They're all decent players, I'm just saying a coach with an eye would probably rate them in that order. Our lot here have had the "benefit" of some stop start international and domestic cricket. You're only really benefiting if you're playing regularly and doing reasonably well. It would take a special player to make continuous low scores in international cricket and learn anything.

You've got an issue with English cricket for whatever reason. You're basing your opinion on this disastrous series. Every decent team is hard to beat at home and England have also imploded, but they're unbelievably strong in the other formats and extremely difficult to beat in home conditions. Most cricket worldwide has improved, with more money, more people playing, more training, more games and more formats how can it not? Perhaps English test cricket has suffered of late, but it might just be that other teams have improved more in that format over a given period. I'm not a fan of the English for reasons outside of cricket, but you have to give some credit where its due, they have a solid system that produces very good players. If a similar system was in place here (theoretical because they have a lot more money) we'd be doing great, despite our miniscule pool.

[andrewn9]

India is giving SA hell without Rohit, Gill, Shaw, Pant, kohli, jadeja, isnath to name a few.

You sure about that one, Chief?!

[Tinah09]

India is giving SA hell without Rohit, Gill, Shaw, Pant, kohli, jadeja, isnath to name a few.

You sure about that one, Chief?!

I don't know how you fail to understand my statement eluding to India being a good team because they are resting/missing what can be regarded as their top batsmen and still being competitive in South Africa. I guess anyone can nitpick phrases, remove all context and use it in some snarky retort