SA national u-17 week
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Are we seeing more promise among our age group teams or are the opponents we are facing worse? Definitely some good prospects in TJ Schadendorf last month and Makoni junior hasn't disgraced himself over the last few matches, as well as Zvidzai and Roche. Liam Roche with a fighting 44 yesterday and a 100 today. The younger Welch is also looking good in the U13 match. Mazhawidza has bowled decently throughout and batted well with Roche today. Oldrieve has been decent too. Only complete failures in that U19 / U17 team over the last month have been Dollar and Shara. I mean, we are scoring 100s regularly, and that hasn't happened of late whoever is the opposition. Hasn't happened since the days of BT, Hamilton and Taibu in age group teams I suppose.
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in my honest opinion, i've always stated we have a very
good young squad & the sky is the limit to what these
kids can do. robinson & frost have been the disappointing
for me esp with their talent .. for frost maybe this is
his first tour with zim so he needs a bit of time maybe
for robinson i dont know but as a batsmen he is better
than most including roche, makoni, zvidzai etc. Frost and jayden
the best batsmen of the lot.. A few more tours and
england will give them scholarships to jeorpadise
our u19 world cup campaign.I knew oldrieve as a top order batsman who could bowl a few overs, i see now he is an all out bowler batting at 10 mmhhh.. About the u13s never seen any of them in action so cant comment but welch
and brian bennet seem to be really good
good young squad & the sky is the limit to what these
kids can do. robinson & frost have been the disappointing
for me esp with their talent .. for frost maybe this is
his first tour with zim so he needs a bit of time maybe
for robinson i dont know but as a batsmen he is better
than most including roche, makoni, zvidzai etc. Frost and jayden
the best batsmen of the lot.. A few more tours and
england will give them scholarships to jeorpadise
our u19 world cup campaign.I knew oldrieve as a top order batsman who could bowl a few overs, i see now he is an all out bowler batting at 10 mmhhh.. About the u13s never seen any of them in action so cant comment but welch
and brian bennet seem to be really good
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Quota has lowered the standard of provincial age group cricket in South Africa massively. In the political arena it's called apartheid and it's simply not cricket! The top South African school teams will comfortably beat most of the lesser provinces nine out of ten times. There are two pools in those inter-provincials and the Zim teams generally play the lesser provinces. The strong provinces have their old rivalries and don't like to make time to play the Zim boys. I'm not taking anything away from any of the boys' individual achievements as you can only play what's in front of you, but we're generally only as good as a middle to lower tier province. If you consider the number of schools they choose from in each province and the number we choose from as a country we still do very well. Back in the day when all Gov schools functioned well we were probably worthy of a case study on how such a small group of people consistently produced a succession of phenomenal sportspeople.
Mangongo has really pulled out all the stops to give these boys as much exposure as possible. If we had more passionate age group coaches like him our age group cricket would be at a much higher level. The people in charge of our age group cricket continue to let us down every year.
Mangongo has really pulled out all the stops to give these boys as much exposure as possible. If we had more passionate age group coaches like him our age group cricket would be at a much higher level. The people in charge of our age group cricket continue to let us down every year.
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I don't think English schools hand out scholarships to deliberately weaken our u19 campaign or our national side. If there is a secret agenda it may be to let ZC continue in their current fashion and we will sink all by ourselves.
The rich schools in England like to be seen to be having an international flavour and at least 10-15% of their students are international. They all have an excess of funds and their scholarship boards look for exceptional scholars or kids with sporting prowess to make their schools look good to encourage future enrolment. There's also the aspect of helping less fortunate, but deserving kids, to be given opportunities that would not ordinarily be available to them. They're not looking for good cricketers because England is bereft of talent.
The rich schools in England like to be seen to be having an international flavour and at least 10-15% of their students are international. They all have an excess of funds and their scholarship boards look for exceptional scholars or kids with sporting prowess to make their schools look good to encourage future enrolment. There's also the aspect of helping less fortunate, but deserving kids, to be given opportunities that would not ordinarily be available to them. They're not looking for good cricketers because England is bereft of talent.
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Praise for Mangongo!!Googly wrote:
Mangongo has really pulled out all the stops to give these boys as much exposure as possible. If we had more passionate age group coaches like him our age group cricket would be at a much higher level. The people in charge of our age group cricket continue to let us down every year.
Probably on the mark though. They just went to Malaysia and Namibia, now in SA. I believe that there are some full u19 ODIs coming up after Xmas? Then hopefully inclusion in the list A comp, if/when that ever takes place.
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Exactly, plotting against ZC is pointless, ZC does more damage to itself than anyone else ever could. Additionally, England probably has more homegrown talent coming through its system currently than it has had in a very long time.Googly wrote:I don't think English schools hand out scholarships to deliberately weaken our u19 campaign or our national side. If there is a secret agenda it may be to let ZC continue in their current fashion and we will sink all by ourselves.
The rich schools in England like to be seen to be having an international flavour and at least 10-15% of their students are international. They all have an excess of funds and their scholarship boards look for exceptional scholars or kids with sporting prowess to make their schools look good to encourage future enrolment. There's also the aspect of helping less fortunate, but deserving kids, to be given opportunities that would not ordinarily be available to them. They're not looking for good cricketers because England is bereft of talent.
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its hard to praise Mangongo after what happened at senior level(especially him being the main reason Taylor left) but I think his scare tactics work well with the kids and he really has made a huge effort to get exposure for the kids. he is doing his job. it is definitely easier to tell teenagers to do some laps around the field compared to the Masakadzas and Mawoyos of this world. South African junior cricket is deteriorating at an alarming rate. hopefully they don't come up with a compromise by snapping up all our talented black kids to fill up quoatas there.
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Yes sa is going through a rough patch but dont fool urselves
you dont lose talent overnight esp with the talent & large
player pool there, they still hold enough talent to crush
us at all levels any day any time. quoting googly though
it amazes me too about the quality of talent which come
out of zim considering we have the smallest player pool
ever, would probably have gotten an award or something
had we managed to hold on to many of them. about
the ecb i think they have done almost as much damage to
our cricket as zc has done, those guys would rather lose
to hong kong or nepal than zim at all age groups, one
could tell from the way the english batsmen attacked
our bowlers in that u19 world cup from ball 1 that the
message from the board & coaches was clear show no
mercy...
you dont lose talent overnight esp with the talent & large
player pool there, they still hold enough talent to crush
us at all levels any day any time. quoting googly though
it amazes me too about the quality of talent which come
out of zim considering we have the smallest player pool
ever, would probably have gotten an award or something
had we managed to hold on to many of them. about
the ecb i think they have done almost as much damage to
our cricket as zc has done, those guys would rather lose
to hong kong or nepal than zim at all age groups, one
could tell from the way the english batsmen attacked
our bowlers in that u19 world cup from ball 1 that the
message from the board & coaches was clear show no
mercy...
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Sorry, I need to ask,sixes fan wrote:Yes sa is going through a rough patch but dont fool urselves
you dont lose talent overnight esp with the talent & large
player pool there, they still hold enough talent to crush
us at all levels any day any time. quoting googly though
it amazes me too about the quality of talent which come
out of zim considering we have the smallest player pool
ever, would probably have gotten an award or something
had we managed to hold on to many of them. about
the ecb i think they have done almost as much damage to
our cricket as zc has done, those guys would rather lose
to hong kong or nepal than zim at all age groups, one
could tell from the way the english batsmen attacked
our bowlers in that u19 world cup from ball 1 that the
message from the board & coaches was clear show no
mercy...
why do you format your paragraphs like a totem pole?
Ive always wondered.
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Right!
The talent drain is coming back to haunt us even at age group levels now. Taun Harrison, the offie who played for Zim during the 2012 CSA U13 tornament and was hailed as a great talent by Glen Byrom, is now opening the bowling against Zim U17 for Western Province!
We even had a quiz question on Taun Harrison: http://zimcricketforums.com/viewtopic.p ... 490#p46417
Obviously Cricinfo still hasn't learnt that it is the same guy, so there are two profiles:
TH, Zim: http://www.espncricinfo.com/zimbabwe/co ... 95997.html
TH, SA: http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/ ... 70645.html
Interestingly, there is a 1 month shift in his birth date there in the new profile...
The talent drain is coming back to haunt us even at age group levels now. Taun Harrison, the offie who played for Zim during the 2012 CSA U13 tornament and was hailed as a great talent by Glen Byrom, is now opening the bowling against Zim U17 for Western Province!
We even had a quiz question on Taun Harrison: http://zimcricketforums.com/viewtopic.p ... 490#p46417
Obviously Cricinfo still hasn't learnt that it is the same guy, so there are two profiles:
TH, Zim: http://www.espncricinfo.com/zimbabwe/co ... 95997.html
TH, SA: http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/ ... 70645.html
Interestingly, there is a 1 month shift in his birth date there in the new profile...