Third OD Netherlands v Zimbabwe

[eugene]

Very interesting facts mentioned above.

In the end I'm not too fussed about this result. Take out the 4 best players in a lot of teams (especially minnows like us) and this can happen.. we honestly don't have a strong squad. We have always known this. We barely have a decent 11. We are the 11th ranked team.. the Dutch are technically number 13. If you take out the 4 best players for Afghanistan (like they did when we were fighting back earlier in the year) or the 4 best player for the current West Indian team who are ranked 9th, we would beat them too. The fact that the dutch are an associate does not mean they don't have quality. I think those days of associates being rolled over are done as a lot of those teams are made up of expats with tonnes of experience. They just don't get enough game time to prove this.

It is fine to highlight we were missing our four best players, but even a full-strength Zimbabwe has had almost no success for the last 10 years and it is only going to get worse. In another 10 years we will be making excuses about being under strength after losing by 150 runs to Canada. Our trajectory is very clear, down.

[eugene]

Simply pathetic. I think I may be done with all of this.

Has ZIM been your primary team ahead of NZ all this time?

Yes Zimbabwe has always been my primary team. I think it is time to move on for the time being. With USACA being expelled by the ICC perhaps it is time to get behind the USA? Zimbabwe will be playing at the level of the USA in a few more years anyway.

[Kriterion_BD]

Simply pathetic. I think I may be done with all of this.

Has ZIM been your primary team ahead of NZ all this time?

Yes Zimbabwe has always been my primary team. I think it is time to move on for the time being. With USACA being expelled by the ICC perhaps it is time to get behind the USA? Zimbabwe will be playing at the level of the USA in a few more years anyway.

I think Nepal and or PNG may be the next team to come up. Nepal has obvious advantages. Bieng an American, I always root for the US...but they always disappoint. But so too does Nepal.

[Googly]

Snater used to get overlooked at age group level here, he played a couple of times, but ZC largely ignored him. They seem unable to recognise talent if it were to bite them in the gonads. He's now contracted and making a living playing cricket, which is all a few of these good youngsters want to do. Ed Byrom has just secured a two year professional contract with Somerset and is about to make his first team debut and will probably replace Trescothick when he retires at the end of the season. Nick Welch is going well. He had a big hundred for Essex against Netherlands a couple of weeks ago.

[Black Mamba]

Has ZIM been your primary team ahead of NZ all this time?

Yes Zimbabwe has always been my primary team. I think it is time to move on for the time being. With USACA being expelled by the ICC perhaps it is time to get behind the USA? Zimbabwe will be playing at the level of the USA in a few more years anyway.

I think Nepal and or PNG may be the next team to come up. Nepal has obvious advantages. Bieng an American, I always root for the US...but they always disappoint. But so too does Nepal.

Nepal has got talent, excellent crowd cover, but their performers haven't rise into the occasion, they have been all over the place.

[Flakeman]

We have no depth. At all. Blessing Muzarabani is useless. Ngarava is useless. Madziva is so average. Panyangara cant touch a ball older than 6 overs. Mpofu isnt great.

If ZC were smart they would throw money at Chisoro and get him serious, he is a very good bowler.

I would stick with Chatara and um...um...um...Mpofu/Tiripano? To open up.

Chisoro would give you a good 10. Cremer too !

Chibhabha a good few along with Williams and Raza.

I dont see why they dont do this. The average results would be

Chatara - 2/48 - 10
Mpofu/Tiripano - 1/65 10 (if they bowl 10)
Chisoro - 2/40 - 10
Cremer - 2/42 - 10
Willy, Raza,nd Chibaba to keep things decent too !

But for me Chisoro is the missing link in our team !

[sloandog]

me Chisoro is the missing link in our team !

Why? What's so good about his bowling Flakeman? Granted he looked quite skiddy with the new pip, bit he doesn't seem to turn the ball a lot at all

[TapsC]

For me what makes chisoro stand out is the fact that he was a pace bowler initially so I noticed that he somehow gets variation with the pace of his spin and also the bounce.. that's just what I observed the few games he did play for Zim.

Muazarabani and Ngarava are not finished products yet.. that's just the truth but I believe simply because of his ridiculous height we should pump money into Muzarabani until he gets it right.. I remember back in the day Chatara Jarvis and Lindsay went for some fast bowling camp of some sort in Australia at the beginning of the decade.. they didn't turn out too bad. I think we need more of that. Good line and length can be taught but that X factor is not in everybody

[ZIMDOGGY]

The only pace bowlers who are capable of getting more than two wickets against decent opposition in a test side are Mumba, chatara and vitori.

Mumbas erratic but I think the right coach can work with him.
Chatara is slowly getting his mojo back but I haven't seen if he is still a 140 bowler or not.

Vitori will be good if we can unban him without losing his X factor.

Mpofu seems ok in a 'best of a shit bunch' type of way in ODIs and should be used up until the World Cup campaigns done (then tossed out like a used Condom) and tiripano brings a composed batting element but lacks teeth but worth keeping close by for now.
Mouth the first three is where the real investment is needed.

[Mueddie28]

We have no depth. At all. Blessing Muzarabani is useless. Ngarava is useless. Madziva is so average. Panyangara cant touch a ball older than 6 overs. Mpofu isnt great.

If ZC were smart they would throw money at Chisoro and get him serious, he is a very good bowler.

I would stick with Chatara and um...um...um...Mpofu/Tiripano? To open up.

Chisoro would give you a good 10. Cremer too !

Chibhabha a good few along with Williams and Raza.

I dont see why they dont do this. The average results would be

Chatara - 2/48 - 10
Mpofu/Tiripano - 1/65 10 (if they bowl 10)
Chisoro - 2/40 - 10
Cremer - 2/42 - 10
Willy, Raza,nd Chibaba to keep things decent too !

But for me Chisoro is the missing link in our team !

I remember 2years ago Madziva winning a game in Bangladesh , with ball & bat..
In all seriousness its time to bench Bench Burl for M Waller
Best Zim Line up with 4 specialist bowlers

Mire
Hami
Raza
Ervines
Sean Williams
M Waller
P J Moor
Cremer
Mumba
Chatara
Tiripano / Mpufo who even is focused that morning in the nets...