ZIM Test lineup going forward

[eugene]

Who cares who is better than who! Get them all in the team!

[jaybro]

"Regis just ahead?" You always slate hhm for being nuts jaybro but you hardly make sense yourself. Moor will never be a keeper, that much is evident. I think I've seen Waller do better. Also, Chakabvs is still the better Test batsmen so Moor must go in where?

I hope I can be proven wrong but in my opinion with Taylor back and the Williamses ans Razas ahead in the pecking order, PJ Moor will mostly be in the A side for a few more years to come.

Conant did you even bother watching the Sr Lanka test ?? Regis missed 3 chances on the final day which pretty much cost Zimbabwe any chance of winning. Regis is the best keeper of a very average bunch so yes if Moor improved his keeping he would replace Regis ( common sense I would have thought )

Also Regis is a good batsman ( I actually defended him when someone said he was rubbish ) but he hasn't set the world on fire lately and hasn't passed fifty in any format if international cricket for over 3 years now. Moor has done pretty well in his early Test career with the bat.

You're right about Moor being down in the pecking order for a spot purely on batting so I wouldn't be surprised if he does concentrate on his keeping as it would be his best chance of returning.

I really don't know how that didn't make sense to you

[jaybro]

Jarvis has dominated County cricket that qualifies the argument he is the first seamer in Zimbabwe picked.

I don't know at what stage Jarvis was ever ahead of Chatara (or Vitori), except that being two years older, he established established himself when Chatara was still a junior?

I'm sorry this is all just incorrect

KJ, Vitori & Chatara all played around the same time, they all played Test matches together at some point and all 3 even played an ODI in the same side.

KJ was clearly the first seamer picked back then and I dare say he'll be the first picked again now he is back.

[Kriterion_BD]

Conant, I am actually offended that I could be mistaken for espousing white privilege. Just ask Flakemen, with whom I had a healthy discussion on the white nationalist apologist Ben Shapiro. My signature is of Malcolm X, just in case that helps my cause.

This isn't a discussion on politics and I try to keep to facts as much as I possibly can. The fact of the matter is that any and all of the world class ZIM cricketers to date have been white. Batsmen: Flower 1, Murray, Houghton, Taylor, Ervine. The best black batters IMO would be Taibu followed by Masakadza. Musakanda has the potential to be as good as Tylor and Ervine. Quick bowlers is Streak, with Jarvis and maybe Mumba or Ngrava having the potential. Spinners is Price, Cremer from the guys I know. Myabe strang.

Its just common sense facts. White kids start playing the game earlier and feel connected to the tradition. That is probably not true for most of the black players, although Im sure its always changing.

[CrimsonAvenger]

If BT can keep, here is my lineup. Not happy with the openers, but I am really unsure who to put at the top.

1. Sikandar Raza
2. Brian Chari
3. Hamilton Masakadza
4. Craig Ervine
5. Brendan Taylor (w)
6. Sean Williams
7. Malcolm Waller
8. Graeme Cremer (c)
9. Shingirai Masakadza
10. Kyle Jarvis
11. Tendai Chatara

Really like this. If Taylor keeps across formats, It really brings flexibility to the XI.

If we can get someone like Byrom, he can replace Chari, while a Mire can look to unseat Waller. If we need another front line spinner, say, Wellington, he can come in place of Shingi / Waller.

With Musakanda and Moor on the bench, Masakadza and Williams would be pushed hard to keep performing.

[Mueddie28]

If BT can keep, here is my lineup. Not happy with the openers, but I am really unsure who to put at the top.

1. Sikandar Raza
2. Brian Chari
3. Hamilton Masakadza
4. Craig Ervine
5. Brendan Taylor (w)
6. Sean Williams
7. Malcolm Waller
8. Graeme Cremer (c)
9. Shingirai Masakadza
10. Kyle Jarvis
11. Tendai Chatara

Really like this. If Taylor keeps across formats, It really brings flexibility to the XI.

If we can get someone like Byrom, he can replace Chari, while a Mire can look to unseat Waller. If we need another front line spinner, say, Wellington, he can come in place of Shingi / Waller.

With Musakanda and Moor on the bench, Masakadza and Williams would be pushed hard to keep performing.

Mire just hit a ton & people still bringing back Chari...
I would rather have chibhabha as an opener than Chari...that's if Mire has been declared unsuitable for test..

[Kriterion_BD]

Taylor as WK is not a good idea because as the best or equal best batsman in the team he needs to bat in the top 4. WK never bat higher than 6 on a routine basis and that is a waste. Bangladesh has a similar problem with Mushfiq (but we are starting to get enough batsman to where its less of an issue). And Taylor will likely be keeping for very long periods of time unless ZIM start putting real bowling friendly wickets out.

[pariah]

Taylor as WK is not a good idea because as the best or equal best batsman in the team he needs to bat in the top 4. WK never bat higher than 6 on a routine basis and that is a waste. Bangladesh has a similar problem with Mushfiq (but we are starting to get enough batsman to where its less of an issue). And Taylor will likely be keeping for very long periods of time unless ZIM start putting real bowling friendly wickets out.

Far too much was done to gt Taylor back. If Chakabva fails Taylor will have to keep and bat at 6 if he must! His average is 30 odd not 40 or 50 odd.

[pariah]

I really think this Jarvis thing wasn't well thought through and people will be in for a rude awakening.

The kind of bowling stats eg Ryan McLaren gets in England he didn't get in SA. Yet he regularly out-bowled Jarvis his Lancs teammate. That assistance you get in England is not there here. Wickets in Zim have gotten worse. Unless you're really fast, or extremely disciplined you will be average come international matches.

The fact about Jarvis's prior Test career is he had 2 or 3 very good innings, but from a consistent point of view he totally failed to have any pact in most innings - either from a pernetration or run restriction point of view.

My early prediction is Kyle won't be good enough to be a new ball bowler. He will be good enough at first change, but even then he will struggle to make a case ahead of Shingi in that role. It's the selections of Mumba, Tiripano, Mpofu etc that will inevitably make him appear like a godsend though.

[TapsC]

Are you allowed to switch keepers during a test match? Could Regis and PJ have shared the duties in that last test for example? Waller has not been that bad when I have seen him keep. Maybe he could share the duties with BT if that's allowed. For example BT bats for a long period of time then Malcolm could keep for the first 30 overs whilst BT is completely off the pitch since he doesn't bowl anyway. What are the exact rules with the 12th man anyway? I'm sure there is a way of using him to our favour.