[Series Thread] Bangladesh in South Africa 2017

[pariah]

OK, how does this add up?

Then you should have stopped there and asked for clarification.

[pariah]

They would likely tone it down a bit in a longer version game, but I don't think they have the quality yet to really challenge.

So why are you reacting with "shock"? You can't give the impression that you completely disagree with me then go on to fail to say the opposite to me. You say they likely wouldn't beat you, not won't, and I say they will, because they have before. Afghanistan have chased 494 to beat Canada before. I wouldn't exactly trust Streak's ZIM and your BD to do that to Canada.

With Jarvis and Taylor back and Chatara fit, a series in ZIM would be very interesting. But with our experience and batting ability you'd have to say 2-1 to BD if all 3 games are played in Harare or 3-0 if in Bulawayo. Before Taylor and Jarvis came back, I'd have said 3-0 anywhere.

What are you talking about? Zimbabwe beat you with a batting order that had Maruma and Mutumbami, with Chigumbura batting at 6. Again none of Raza, Williams and Craig were there. In neither of the innings did BD get ZIM's runs minus Taylor. And that attack had Meth, Shingi, Chigumbura. Plus, it was Shingi who got all the dangerous BD batsmen in the 1st innings, with runout, Elton and Jarvis sharing them in the 2nd innings. Heck match-winning Vusi went on to be Man of the Series in the ODI Series for good measure, after a ZIM that was missing him - but had the favourites - got bowled out for 148 in the 1st match thumping(while we're on that point, will another Zimbabwean be a MoS again vs Bangladesh I wonder?)

By the way, where were Cremer, Craig, Williams, Jarvis and Raza when ZImbabwe beat Pakistan? http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/1197 ... est-series

When you disagree with something you have to have all the facts and make sure that it is completely baseless, otherwise you'll end up digressing and discussing ZIM playing in BD when the argument is entirely based in Zimbabwe.

NB:This business of including Williams everytime makes no sense. The man is never relevant in any ZIm wins. Even Kriterion tried and failed to doctor that one.

[Kriterion_BD]

Lol, everyone knows I llove a good joust.

The Afghans may have chased 500 vs Canada, but Canada isnt even a first class team. The Afghan have talent, but talent alone won't win you many games, and won't win any Tests at all. I dont have to trust BD to chase 494 vs Canada either because we'd never need to bat a 2nd time to beat them, lol. Rankings dont lie, in a year or 2 Bangladesh will be ahead of WI and SL in the rankings and possibly Pakistan as well. Thats even with the customary 3 passengers in each XI.

Which Zim-BD test are you referring to? In 2011 we had just started beginning to compete in Test cricket. We hadn't played a Test in over a year and although ZIM was coming back, they had a few first class games against Australia A. It was an undercooked side.

2013, we had actually started competing drew a Test in SL, should have drawn if not beaten WI at home...so that was a creditable win for ZIM. Jarvis and Shingi and Cremer did the damage there plus I think Taylor hit 171 as well. So that win was in large part due to 3 white players and not Vusi or Elton.

Since 2013 BD have travelled miles. Beating SL may not mean much now, but we've added scalps of England and Australia just in case people start questioning our spot in the Test league. In that same span, Zimbabwe went back to Associate status losing to Afghanistan and Ireland, and have only come back to where they were in 2013 with the returns of Taylor and Jarvis. We don't have a young team of 22 year olds anymore either. The experience will carry us through if it gets tight.

And for the record I have never been a Williams fan, so its patently untrue I would ever try to doctor stats in his favor. That being said, Williams is still about twice as good as Vusi and Elton's combined class, cubed.

[Kriterion_BD]

The pitch for the 2nd Test is supposed to be a greentop. With Tamim out, that leaves only Mushfiq and Mominul with the technique to cope with Rabada.

[pariah]

In that same span, Zimbabwe went back to Associate status losing to Afghanistan and Ireland

With what players(bowlers, batsmen, "allrounders" etc) dominating the ZIM lineups?

[pariah]

The pitch for the 2nd Test is supposed to be a greentop. With Tamim out, that leaves only Mushfiq and Mominul with the technique to cope with Rabada.

Michael Cohen, just 19 years old, who had an average time against Zimbabwe for the SA Emerging side, had a very nice time against Bangaldesh in the tour match. Pretty much 10 different SA attacks could have dominated BD in SA.

I think that underlines the fact that BD haven't really grown much no matter who they leave out or have available. I made an argument that BD don't have depth compared to ZIM, and I'm right.

[Kriterion_BD]

The pitch for the 2nd Test is supposed to be a greentop. With Tamim out, that leaves only Mushfiq and Mominul with the technique to cope with Rabada.

Michael Cohen, just 19 years old, who had an average time against Zimbabwe for the SA Emerging side, had a very nice time against Bangaldesh in the tour match. Pretty much 10 different SA attacks could have dominated BD in SA.

I think that underlines the fact that BD haven't really grown much no matter who they leave out or have available. I made an argument that BD don't have depth compared to ZIM, and I'm right.

Our depth is apparently low right at this instance (our U-19s are down 2-1 to Afghanistan, with just 1 game remaining) and our A team hasnt played a single game in about 2 years. But depth becomes irrelevant if you are strictly talking about wins and losses (and draws).

That being said, Bangladesh are, IMO, comfortably as good a side as West Indies and Sri Lanka. Meaning we aren't close to being out of their league, but overall we are probably just a tad better than both, all things being considered. I would argue we are right around Pakistan's quality and not terribly far behind New Zealand (we would be favored to beat them at home).

ZIM now have a chance at competing since Taylor and Jarvis are back to add to contributions from Ervine, Cremer and Raza. But until they notch a couple wins against Australia or England and a handful of draws against a few others, its a pretty pointless comparison.

[pariah]

Our depth is apparently low right at this instance (our U-19s are down 2-1 to Afghanistan, with just 1 game remaining) and our A team hasnt played a single game in about 2 years. But depth becomes irrelevant if you are strictly talking about wins and losses (and draws).

You could have started there you know.

By the way your u23 or Emerging side has been playing recently, and one would argue - based on the personnel - that those are actually your A Team players not Emerging.

[pariah]

Paterson earns maiden call-up for Bangladesh ODIs
http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/ ... adesh-odis

Faf du Plessis' first assignment as ODI captain will see him take charge of a squad sans several senior bowlers for three matches against Bangladesh, starting next Sunday. With Morne Morkel joining the list of those unavailable through injury earlier in the week, Dane Paterson earned a maiden call-up after he was also included in the Test squad as Morkel's replacement.

Paterson, a fast bowler from the Cobras, has played four T20Is for South Africa, most recently in England over the winter. He took a career-best 4 for 32 in the final match, but his ability to execute during the end overs impressed the selectors.

"Dane did very well in the T20 International Series against England earlier this year, particularly when it came to death bowling. We now want to see if he can do a similar job in the 50 overs format," Linda Zondi, South Africa's convener of selectors said.

Kagiso Rabada will lead the bowling attack, which also includes allrounders Wayne Parnell and Andile Phehlukwayo. Imran Tahir is the only specialist spinner in the group. Chris Morris, who was part of the Champions Trophy squad, was not available for selection as he continues to recover from a back problem, while Keshav Maharaj was left out.

The batting line-up takes on a more familiar look, especially as it sees the return to international action of AB de Villiers, who last played for South Africa during the England tour. De Villiers will make himself available across all three formats from mid-October and is also due to play a four-day first-class match to get himself ready for Tests. He will spend this season as a player only, having stepped down from all forms of leadership.

JP Duminy, who recently retired from Tests, will be part of a middle order that also included David Miller and Farhaan Behardien. Temba Bavuma has also been included in the fifty-over side. Bavuma has only played one ODI, last September against Ireland, where he opened the batting and scored a century.

South Africa could see this series as the start of their preparations for the 2019 World Cup. South Africa lost the ODI series against Bangladesh the last time they played in the format.

ODI squad: Faf du Plessis (capt.), Hashim Amla, Temba Bavuma, Farhaan Behardien, Quinton de Kock (wk), AB de Villiers, JP Duminy, Imran Tahir, David Miller, Wayne Parnell, Dane Paterson, Andile Phehlukwayo, Dwaine Pretorius, Kagiso Rabada

They'll probably start with this: Qdk(wk), Bavuma, Amla, Faf(c), AB, Duminy, Farhaan, Parnell, Phehlukwayo, Rabada, Tahir

I suspect they might also rest Rabada and pick Paterson instead. They might also rest Amla and push Faf & AB up one place up to slot Miller. However, non-bowling Miller has been sruggling with the bat for the Proteas, so Pretorius may come in for him instead.

[jaybro]

You’re making Bavuma open whilst Faf & AB hide in the middle order ?