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Does anyone here know this Mnangagwa twit well enough to comment on his personality? Or what he tends to change? Have the army ridden the rest of the stooges out as of yet?

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Flakeman wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:15 pm
Does anyone here know this Mnangagwa twit well enough to comment on his personality? Or what he tends to change? Have the army ridden the rest of the stooges out as of yet?
Me thinks we can give him three months to see which direction he will take.

There are many unanswered questions about him no doubt and the Ndebele question I anticipate will be remain unanswered for some time to come, but what seems clear enough is his determination to get the economy running in a different direction and not just continue on this sanctions mantra. Apparently China promised some money as way back as 2013 and but they demanded a renewal of leadership hence the constant wait for Bob to retire at some point.

Again the next three months will tell. However we have been bottom so long the only way is up now.

He's lucky in that he gets the almost instant goodwill that comes with Bob's departure, similar to South Africa in 1994.

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I think it would be a mistake for ED to go it alone.
I think he should include Biti (replace Morgan)
Nkosana Moyo (replace Dabengwa)
Mai Mujuru
Samkange as Minister of Justice.

It remains to be seen if MDC would agree to an inclusive government. They may be pinning their hopes on the next election. Will ZANU place their faith in the Israeli biometric voting system and try and immediately consolidate or will they go for a GNU and avoid elections and either turn over a new leaf or look to dilute the opposition influence all over again.
Anyway all will be revealed shortly.

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What’s this about voting machines, Googly?

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His inauguration speech was a bit rambling, but he's a world class orator compared to Mugabe...

I was hoping he'd say something a little more inclusive re: the farming situation, like a call to the diaspora to return and help or something... instead he mentioned land reform was irreversible. But he did mention compensation which I suppose was quite interesting.

The most promising part of it all was when he talked about market enterprise. If nothing else, if he's a capitalist, he'll be an improvement over Mugabe.

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I wonder who supports Communism/Socialism over Capitalism here? I’d be interested to know who’s that stupid. It’s obvious Pariah does. I reckon our good friend Kriterion might too, though.

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Flakeman wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2017 2:10 pm
I wonder who supports Communism/Socialism over Capitalism here? I’d be interested to know who’s that stupid. It’s obvious Pariah does. I reckon our good friend Kriterion might too, though.
Sociocapitalism ie free market + universal healthcare + a welfare system is already proven to be the most superior system on pretty much every major index.
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Kriterion_BD wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2017 4:35 pm
Flakeman wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2017 2:10 pm
I wonder who supports Communism/Socialism over Capitalism here? I’d be interested to know who’s that stupid. It’s obvious Pariah does. I reckon our good friend Kriterion might too, though.
Sociocapitalism ie free market + universal healthcare + a welfare system is already proven to be the most superior system on pretty much every major index.
School Flakeman!!!

I think a lot of people fail to even knit together a few hints. First if all I'm not a politician, but I do come from a family heavily involved in politics. Secondly I'm a businessman actively involved in multiple sectors, but invested in even more sectors. And of course I'm educated like most of you (except that young Aussie)

Even without me sharing anything, just from trying to put two and two together, you can tell I'm no communist. Socialism is very different, and it's been applied in various ways by several countries and quite effectively. Sociocapitalism being one.

I think you forget that whatever legal family or structure a country falls under automatically dictates a lot of their economic policies.

As things stand Zimbabwe (and South Africa and indeed several African countries) can only work via capitalism.

Why on earth do you think Mugabe passed several laws economic not just security related? Without changng the laws your hands are tied as to whatever philosophy you have. Likewise investors want to know precisely what the laws are or else you make certain conducive laws apply just to a particular geographic area other country which is impossible for ZIM considering its size and location of resources.

The good part about this is if Mnangagwa appeased the West and whiteys, then MDC and plenty other opposition have no counter. Only ZAPU and its Federalism will remain as opposition with a genuine discernible alternative.

I posted a 1993 article in the "Other" thread. Those same things are about to repeat themselves again as ZIM receives funding with strings attached. Mugabe is about to turn into what Greenspan aspired to be.

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School me? That’s why I said communism/socialism, and no mention of slight mixtures. Sociocapitalism is quite different to the aforementioned but ok? Pariah how do you then support the EFF, if you are pro capitalist? Are you Julius Malema?

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Pariah only supports whatever everybody isn't. If we had all started a thread about the wonders of Mugabe and how bad this coup was he would have come in celebrating the end of the old man.
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