Zimbabwe vs Ireland Third T20 [match thread]

[secretzimbo]

Myers, Marumani, Madhevere deserve 25-30 T20Is before putting a call on them.

I'd be dropping at least Marumani, and possibly Myers, for the next game tbh. Unless we are happy to lose? Personally as an actual Zimbabwean fan I prefer it when Zimbabwe win games.

ZC in form of Masakadza was very much vocal of not including Raza & Taylor anymore in T20Is before the start of the Irish tour, decision taken was banking on youths in future for T20I format, with 2-1 down Zim is now under pressure of series loss, its now going to be matter to watch out wheather team management continue to rely on youths or change their minds like Williams retirement incident to save the series

Taylor* has to be in for Marumani, at the very least (and I love Marumani). I know of course about the fuckup decision of not including Raza & Williams in the T20 format. It's a joke though. Williams really *should* be coming in tomorrow instead of Myers as well. I know he won't of course.

Winnings breeds winning and these youngsters need to be blended into a winning culture and a winning side guided by experienced, quality players. Playing all 4 of the young batsmen in every single match is throwing them to the lions and will impact their careers very negatively.



*Taylor is now part of the T20 squad, btw. It's Williams & Raza who are now 'sitting out'.

[TapsC2]

If Blessing is injured then we don't risk him but. We will just have to work with what we have in that department. I guess BT might be the only change then. Maybe just Maybe Tari can get a game but I guarantee you just like Stirling is going strong, BT can make a huge difference here.

[Donald]

I remember when Zimbabwe toured Pakistan and should have won the series 2-1 end of last year we had some brilliant batting by Taylor and Williams and obviously young madhevere did quite well in that series because he was flanked by 3 very big senior guys ( raza not chibhaba is the 3rd) Selectors have dropped the ball and now think throwing in myers marumani shumba and madhevere together is a good thing when really they need a Taylor or Williams at the other end to talk to them. Could be anything from consolidating plans to calming them if they go for a rash shots.
Please stop this madness. If you want the under 19s to grow and take over at least give them some mentors in the middle other than ervine

[secretzimbo]

We have an 18-man squad in Ireland, and of those 18 this is how I see our current strongest T20 XI, and back-ups for some of them;

1 W. Madhevere / T. Marumani / T. Kamunhukamwe
2 B. Taylor
3 R. Chakabva
4 C. Ervine
5 S. Williams
6 M. Shumba / D. Myers / T. Musakanda
7 R. Burl / S. Raza
8 L. Jongwe / D. Tiripano
9 W. Masakadza
10 B. Muzarabani
11 R. Ngarava / T. Chatara

If that first XI took to the field tomorrow I'd be really confident. It's a shame that BT, Williams and Blessing probably won't be playing again ffs.

[zimbos_05]

Imagine Namibia getting as many opportunities as Zimbabwe, they would become a much better team even though I think if cricket becomes a mainstream sport there, it would go down Zim route as well bc the majority is black but there are only two black players in the whole squad. Cricket is pretty much a white sport in African countries

Fuck off!

No need for that. He may be one of the indian trolls, but his post was not inflammatory, but rather a statement.

Myers, Marumani, Madhevere deserve 25-30 T20Is before putting a call on them.

You serious? 25-30 T20s before you decide if they are good or not? That's a terrible call. If you need 25-30 matches to determine if someone is good enough, that shows terrible judge of quality and skill.

[Kriterion_BD]

You serious? 25-30 T20s before you decide if they are good or not? That's a terrible call. If you need 25-30 matches to determine if someone is good enough, that shows terrible judge of quality and skill.

Talented young players need a bit of time to get their groove most of the time. Even Tendulkar didn't average 50 plus when he first debuted. He averaged around 30 in both formats if I recall correctly.

Tari, Madhevere, and Myers are [relatively] talented. They have the natural talent to be as good as Taylor, Williams, or Ervine/Raza. And given how young they are, they need about 20 innings (across all 3 formats) at a single stretch. That's only about 1 year with the amount of cricket Zimbabwe plays. So it's not excessive.

But a guy like Marumani who has crossed 15 only once in like 10 innings is clearly out of his depth. It's also how he looks at the crease. Myers may not have a lot of runs under his belt but he looks capable. Marumani looks like he needs lessons from Chris Martin on how to at least look semi competent. He has been beaten more times than he's actually made contact with the bat in his career I shit you not.

Tari has gotten a fair number of chances, and is no longer all that young. I'd give him one more stretch to see if he has it before cutting him loose.

Throwing away talents prematurely is just as bad as playing them when not totally ready.

[zimbos_05]

Talented young players need a bit of time to get their groove most of the time. Even Tendulkar didn't average 50 plus when he first debuted. He averaged around 30 in both formats if I recall correctly.

Tari, Madhevere, and Myers are [relatively] talented. They have the natural talent to be as good as Taylor, Williams, or Ervine/Raza. And given how young they are, they need about 20 innings (across all 3 formats) at a single stretch. That's only about 1 year with the amount of cricket Zimbabwe plays. So it's not excessive.

But a guy like Marumani who has crossed 15 only once in like 10 innings is clearly out of his depth. It's also how he looks at the crease. Myers may not have a lot of runs under his belt but he looks capable. Marumani looks like he needs lessons from Chris Martin on how to at least look semi competent. He has been beaten more times than he's actually made contact with the bat in his career I shit you not.

Tari has gotten a fair number of chances, and is no longer all that young. I'd give him one more stretch to see if he has it before cutting him loose.

Throwing away talents prematurely is just as bad as playing them when not totally ready.

Granted, but 25-30 games?

You give them a shot, and if it is clear they are not making the step up, you pull them back and work on them. You don't just keep throwing them to the wolves.

A year of cricket is a long time. Remember, these are not just pointless games. They are international games. You want to give them experience and develop them, then thats what the A side and coaching clinics are for. If you are stepping up to the national side, you need to be contributing.

We can't afford to have 4-5 players in every match playing purely for the experience.

I'm not advocating for throwing them away. I'm advocating for a better structure to develop them. The current structure of throw them into the side and hope that gaining experience will develop them is terrible.

[slcricfan1]

Myers, Marumani, Madhevere deserve 25-30 T20Is before putting a call on them.

Zimbabwe bowlers wont be effective in shorter format unless they bring slower bouncers, cutters, yorkers, knuckle bowl in their armoury. At present shorter format demands variations for pacers to success and become lethal.

yeah same. In a poor cricketing nation, dont think we cant expect these guys to get good within the first couple years. They gotta stay in the set up for a few years. These guys are gonna be youngsters until theyre 25. Reckon they should get a run til theyre 23 unless another youngster is stepping up in domestic

[slcricfan1]

Imagine Namibia getting as many opportunities as Zimbabwe, they would become a much better team even though I think if cricket becomes a mainstream sport there, it would go down Zim route as well bc the majority is black but there are only two black players in the whole squad. Cricket is pretty much a white sport in African countries

Fuck off!

No need for that. He may be one of the indian trolls, but his post was not inflammatory, but rather a statement.

Myers, Marumani, Madhevere deserve 25-30 T20Is before putting a call on them.

You serious? 25-30 T20s before you decide if they are good or not? That's a terrible call. If you need 25-30 matches to determine if someone is good enough, that shows terrible judge of quality and skill.

Who would you replace them with? The fab 4 are obv first choice and they arent playing for a reason. The setup is looking to transition after. There is no one in the domestic setup besides these guys is there? I understand that its annoying but we have to be patient. This isnt Australia, England or even South Africa and Sri Lanka which have a large playing pool to choose from.

[slcricfan1]

I'd be dropping at least Marumani, and possibly Myers, for the next game tbh. Unless we are happy to lose? Personally as an actual Zimbabwean fan I prefer it when Zimbabwe win games.

ZC in form of Masakadza was very much vocal of not including Raza & Taylor anymore in T20Is before the start of the Irish tour, decision taken was banking on youths in future for T20I format, with 2-1 down Zim is now under pressure of series loss, its now going to be matter to watch out wheather team management continue to rely on youths or change their minds like Williams retirement incident to save the series

Taylor* has to be in for Marumani, at the very least (and I love Marumani). I know of course about the fuckup decision of not including Raza & Williams in the T20 format. It's a joke though. Williams really *should* be coming in tomorrow instead of Myers as well. I know he won't of course.

Winnings breeds winning and these youngsters need to be blended into a winning culture and a winning side guided by experienced, quality players. Playing all 4 of the young batsmen in every single match is throwing them to the lions and will impact their careers very negatively.



*Taylor is now part of the T20 squad, btw. It's Williams & Raza who are now 'sitting out'.

You could be right about the winning culture thing but I reckon the youngsters must at least be in the squad.