Gary Ballance Statement

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And in SA a white guy with ten times the qualifications won't get a job ahead of a black guy with a 30% matric pass. Pass marks are lower for black pupils. White kids with 80% average for matric often can't get into a useful degree at Uni. Same as American universities- the ratio of pupils is not inline with the demographic.
Racism and prejudice exist everywhere, privelege not so much.

Minorities will always get the short end in all communities. It's human nature. Albeit the situation for Black ppl.in the US is a different to white Africans because they were brought again their will and cannot legally return to their native lands. They don't even know if they are native to Zimbabwe or Cameroon.

That's simply not true. Many former slaves were repatriated, almost all entirely against their will, to Sierra Leone and Liberia. They literally had to be rounded up again because they knew what awaited them. Just Google it, it's well documented.
A large proportion were subsequently killed in tribal wars or died of disease.
Do yourself a favor and read Martin Meredith's books, he's brilliant. The State of Africa is riveting. There's a chapter there that describes in detail how a large group did successfully return more recently to Liberia and became the dominant families in that country. They have ruled mafia style for generations and imposed more hardship and suffering on their people than any slave owner could ever hope to. They had learnt all the nasty tricks of their former slave masters and doubled up.
Also with DNA testing these days I'm fairly sure you could figure out where you came from within a few square miles.
Believe me there are no takers for leaving the land of free shit and deeply apologetic former slave owners to return to the corrupt turmoil that is Africa. There's plenty folk that shout about how they were wrenched from their roots but all they have to do is emigrate, there's fuck all stopping them, I'd suggest immigration laws into Liberia are not quite as onerous as UK It would be money well spent for America to give them the 400k seed capital Biden was promising. They'd come scuttling back within 6 months after having been liberated of their cash and be thanking Jesus great grandpappy was a slave. If it was a one way ticket and they lose their American citizenship not one single person would put their hand up, even with 400k on offer, take poison on that.

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https://twitter.com/tyrannywatch/status ... 0iqzQ&s=19

This egregious P.aki slur must be a very recent thing?
Maybe these guys are recent immigrants and missed the brief?

I'm not condoning any of this, but have a clean sheet before you cast the first stone.

There is something off about this guy's intentions. I got a feeling that more information about why they really fell out will be revealed 1 day

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https://twitter.com/tyrannywatch/status ... 0iqzQ&s=19

This egregious P.aki slur must be a very recent thing?
Maybe these guys are recent immigrants and missed the brief?

I'm not condoning any of this, but have a clean sheet before you cast the first stone.

It's akin to black people using the n word.

Throughout all of this, I wouldn't say Rafiq has painted himself in a good light. He made comments and acted in a certain way too. He is guilty. What I am deducing from all of this is that their a fundamental issue within the set up, regardless of the race. It's systemic in our society and it is not just white people who are guilty. Rafiq is guilty too and there needs to be institutional and systemic change from top to bottom, left to right. Just because you are a minority, you are not exempt from your actions.

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You've hit the nail on the head. Every group is guilty of racism. Here in Zim there's nobody of any colour who hasn't said something that wouldn't get them cancelled in a woke society, particularly if they were a prominent individual and ideally they'd need to be white. You can half get away with it if you're a different shade, but hopefully that will change soon. There are people here that truly believe that only a white man can be racist.
If you cancel Ballance ideally you should cancel everybody in Yorkshire otherwise he's just the fall guy. That's just a fact. Anybody claiming they saw nothing and did nothing is a liar. Does he have to go because he's the most guilty? Well he isn't because people above him allowed it.

Then with 200k in reparations on offer for crocodile tears there will be casualties in practically every county.
You'll dampen out institutionalised racism in a predominantly white society far quicker than any other society, particularly in English cricket right now, its front and centre and everyone is terrified of what they may have said a decade ago. How long will it take for everyone else to get onboard? There has been an ongoing mass purging of social media posts for a while now. Raffa will be kicking himself for having overlooked his indiscretion. The Jewish community seem to have forgiven him because they need mates wherever they can find them When you try and cosy up to a person who's religion hinges on your destruction that's lame, they're claiming we're in this together and we're all victims and you seem sincere
Ballance's apology seemed equally sincere, he at least owned it, not like the other weasels running for cover, but he's getting no respite.

Personally I think the whites as a group have largely learnt their lesson and it will be a lot tidier going forward. We now need other groups to follow suit. It will be a cold day in hell before that happens. The ongoing cancel culture is already causing a rising backlash which is great. No way I'm responsible for what my dad did, never mind great great grsndpappy. You can only apologise and squirm for so long before you think, fuck it.

This Raffa guy was first and foremost after the cash, which works wonders for dulling the pain. You can't be vague, you have to sink someone. Maybe Ballance ticked a box because of where he came from? I can't attest to his character, I don't know the guy, maybe he is not so nice, who knows? I know his brother, absolute top quality bloke.
I believe he was then on a treadmill he couldn't get off with people urging him on in the background. We'd all be zillionaires if we received a dollar for every time we'd been a victim of a racial slur, especially those not within ear shot, which is effectively what social media posts 12 years ago are.

[slcricfan1]

You've hit the nail on the head. Every group is guilty of racism. Here in Zim there's nobody of any colour who hasn't said something that wouldn't get them cancelled in a woke society, particularly if they were a prominent individual and ideally they'd need to be white. You can half get away with it if you're a different shade, but hopefully that will change soon. There are people here that truly believe that only a white man can be racist.
If you cancel Ballance ideally you should cancel everybody in Yorkshire otherwise he's just the fall guy. That's just a fact. Anybody claiming they saw nothing and did nothing is a liar. Does he have to go because he's the most guilty? Well he isn't because people above him allowed it.

Then with 200k in reparations on offer for crocodile tears there will be casualties in practically every county.
You'll dampen out institutionalised racism in a predominantly white society far quicker than any other society, particularly in English cricket right now, its front and centre and everyone is terrified of what they may have said a decade ago. How long will it take for everyone else to get onboard? There has been an ongoing mass purging of social media posts for a while now. Raffa will be kicking himself for having overlooked his indiscretion. The Jewish community seem to have forgiven him because they need mates wherever they can find them When you try and cosy up to a person who's religion hinges on your destruction that's lame, they're claiming we're in this together and we're all victims and you seem sincere
Ballance's apology seemed equally sincere, he at least owned it, not like the other weasels running for cover, but he's getting no respite.

Personally I think the whites as a group have largely learnt their lesson and it will be a lot tidier going forward. We now need other groups to follow suit. It will be a cold day in hell before that happens. The ongoing cancel culture is already causing a rising backlash which is great. No way I'm responsible for what my dad did, never mind great great grsndpappy. You can only apologise and squirm for so long before you think, fuck it.

This Raffa guy was first and foremost after the cash, which works wonders for dulling the pain. You can't be vague, you have to sink someone. Maybe Ballance ticked a box because of where he came from? I can't attest to his character, I don't know the guy, maybe he is not so nice, who knows? I know his brother, absolute top quality bloke.
I believe he was then on a treadmill he couldn't get off with people urging him on in the background. We'd all be zillionaires if we received a dollar for every time we'd been a victim of a racial slur, especially those not within ear shot, which is effectively what social media posts 12 years ago are.

Think it should still be remembered Ballance and some of the other guys harassed and bullied Rafiq, not just a solitary joke

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Ballance's apology seemed equally sincere, he at least owned it, not like the other weasels running for cover, but he's getting no respite.

Sincere? I thought it was embarrassing and pretty difficult to call that statement an 'apology'.




Anyway, Rafiq's Jew bashing actually just serves to highlight his point even more about institutional racism over there, doesn't it? I've seen people on social media (usually with flags in their name and stuff about Brexit and immigrants...lol) saying that his Jew stuff makes the whole debate pointless and that hes a twat and that it proves the game isn't racist.......wtf! Rafiq's tweets have meant the total amount of racism has increased....not decreased! His Jew stuff adds to the amount of racism. And it obviously doesn't make the other stuff okay. Also I reckon pinning young muslim lads down and forcing them to drink wine, or pissing on their heads and shouting allahu akbar, is a bit worse than him tweeting the word 'Jew' twice.

Everyones shit stinks and clearly no one is innocent.

The one thing that I don't think has been pointed out is that if you watch his parliamentary evidence, he is at pains to say he never wanted it to be about individuals. The report and investigation and subsequently the media threw Ballance under the bus when he was supposed to stay anonymous. Rafiq didn't. During the parliamentary question the MPs were constantly asking about individuals - clearly trying to chase headlines rather than get to bottom of the institutional problem. The Vaughan s tuff came from another player as well, not Rafiq. I think it's clear from watching him speak that he's trying to reform the game and his club, not any individuals. He said he called Ballance the day he knew his name was going to be leaked to check he was coping okay. That's more than Ballance did for him during the past 18 months.

It's all a bit of a shithow isn't it -on all sides. The UK has a problem with this. And, frankly, it is a massive problem that needs sorting. I don't think the discussion and comparisons related to white people in Africa(certainly present day) is particularly relevant. Parts of Yorkshire are overwhelmingly Muslim. The country at large is not much under 10% muslim, then add other ethnic minorities in. It's diverse and getting more and more so. So I think this sort of stuff is important.

It's uncomfortable. Uncomfortable for people directly involved, probably uncomfortable for the country at large and clearly increasingly uncomfortable for Rafiq as well. I'm not sure this incessant cancel culture they have is the right way to go about it. But I suppose if there are consequences for these guys then it should stop it from happening in younger generations. Idk.

It's difficult, and I think its why its really hard to comment on this from a Zimbo perspective or any other nationality really.

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Lol cancel culture has claimed another victim in Tim Paine, and for once I’m pretty delighted about it. What a fucking idiot he is btw - he’s spent three years pretending to be the fucking Pope and the moral high ground on everything. Always come across as such an unbearable fake prick to me. Only a few weeks ago he was pontificating about women’s rights and Afghanistan when it was trendy....now he’s stepping down for misogyny

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I disagree with a couple of things-
Was his apology any more sincere than Ballance's? You'll never really know what the person is thinking, it's in the delivery, which may have just been well done and better rehearsed. He really got caught with his pants down so the squirm factor may have made it sound a lot more sincere.
I agree just calling someone a Jew doesn't compare to what others have been subjected to, but strange that the guys pissing off the balcony aren't mentioned because if anyone needs to be called out it's them, maybe they're not high profile enough.

You can't say he's a better guy because he phoned Ballance and asked if he was going to be OK after he threw him under the bus, that's just laughable. In fact to me it indicates some level of "oh shit, I've really sunk this dude which is a bit embarrassing coz he's actually ok, but fuck it!"
Maybe Ballance didn't enquire after his well being because he felt aggrieved that in his way he'd looked after him in Zim? Or maybe the consensus was he's after a payday and doesn't give a damn about collateral damage? It's a bit of supposition.

And I think it's a very opportune time to draw analogies to what happens elsewhere. If people want to level the playing field then it should be everywhere. Why is everyone kneeling if this just happens in England? Are they quietly saying "please do better Englishmen coz this is getting hard on the knees!"
If I was English I'd be saying- hang on a minute!!

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Lol cancel culture has claimed another victim in Tim Paine, and for once I’m pretty delighted about it. What a fucking idiot he is btw - he’s spent three years pretending to be the fucking Pope and the moral high ground on everything. Always come across as such an unbearable fake prick to me. Only a few weeks ago he was pontificating about women’s rights and Afghanistan when it was trendy....now he’s stepping down for misogyny

Liked him intially but yeah, turned out to be a bit of a plonker

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You've hit the nail on the head. Every group is guilty of racism.

Racism and prejudice aren't the same thing although they are almost always conflated. Racism or "systemic racism" is prejudice which is built-in to the fabric of society and thus by definition racism can really only be perpetrated by the majority population in a given location. Prejudice or bigotry is something that happens on the individual level. Now an individual can be racist, but the manifestation of it (eg a tweet) is technically prejudice rather than racist.