2022 U19 World Cup Thread

[Googly]

Well that's a relief. Great pity we are not playing England, India or a big name side.

You've got the defending World Champs as a warmup...how much bigger name you want?

You do know that u19's are no supposed to defend titles? That's reserved for third world shithole countries for whom the rules clearly don't apply and they keep sending players to u19 because they've stolen all the money meant for A tours until the players finally get a shot in their national sides or the birth of their 5th child means they finally have to get a job.
The u stands for under not unlimited.

[Tinah09]

Well that's a relief. Great pity we are not playing England, India or a big name side.

You've got the defending World Champs as a warmup...how much bigger name you want?

You do know that u19's are no supposed to defend titles? That's reserved for third world shithole countries for whom the rules clearly don't apply and they keep sending players to u19 because they've stolen all the money meant for A tours until the players finally get a shot in their national sides or the birth of their 5th child means they finally have to get a job.
The u stands for under not unlimited.

There’s really no need to insult low-income countries. I’m sure most people know the term defending champions refers to the team that won the previous tournament and not necessarily the exactly the same players that won the tournament. Then again, if brother Kriterion made a mortal mistake by calling Bangladesh defending champions, what merit is there for you calling England and India U19 “big name sides”…based on your logic, you can’t assign reputation or legacy to a bunch of wet-behind-the-ears u19 team’s right??

[Kriterion_BD]

Even by your standards you set the bar pretty low with that one . You're like Robot trying to use a medical dictionary.

I don't need to use a dictionary holmes. I passed USMLE steps 1 and 2, before failing step 3 (only failed by 7 points). I'm no longer in the medical field, but still remember some pathology and physiology. At least enough to need a need a dictionary.

[Rajkumar Sharma]

Pitches in ongoing Under 19 series between West Indies & South Africa, clearly indicating that the upcomming world cup will have good amount of low score thrillers. Spinners going to get some grip and turn will play massive role

[Googly]

Same goes for bowlers, academy bowlers are trained to bowl a certain way, brush the ear, follow through, group your balls, seam movement etc. that works when bowling against a batsman who plays straight, plays balls on merit etc. what happens when you face Chris Gayle who has decided that he’s going to roast everything thrown at him and particularly hit the first ball for a six regardless of line or length? What happens when you face AB Dde Villiers, Noel Johnson, Kevin Pietersen, Brendan Taylor who don’t conform to orthodoxy?? What happens when you face Dhoni who spent his career holding his bat like a broomstick while smashing bowlers all. Lauding county and high society British cricket as being better than any full international cricket team is fallacious comparing Surrey and Zimbabwe is like comparing apples and oranges

It's a pointless theoretical argument until you hear someone's opinion you value, or until said event eventually takes place. I'm not talking English cricket up as much as I'm talking our cricket down.
I watched Morne Morkel play some second team cricket there once and he got absolutely dismantled by two openers I'd never even heard of. Ask any player who's played county Two's, it's brutal unfriendly cricket and usually played to a very high standard. I think it was Alan Butcher who once wrote a good piece about it. You need to disregard your dislike for the English for a second and just think cricket.
I'm talking us down because we don't play enough cricket, we can't seem to afford it and because we are so isolated people think just some extra games will get us up to speed. More quality cricket will certainly benefit those few players that do have real ability, but the rest will simply just keep not scoring and not taking wickets and will continue to get picked because there's no-one else or they're friends with someone.
That's the very point that needs to become clear because only then will the hierarchy perhaps make more effort to retain and coach the few really good players we do have. Perhaps a thorough beating by a lower county side is what's required to drive the point home and press the reset button for better governance? The management, coaches, players and uninformed public sadly need to actually personally see where we are at first hand. You can make excuses for being beaten by an international side all day long, but there are none for being walloped by a second string county side. Necessary heads will roll.

I remain a Zim cricket supporter because I'm a Zimbabwean and because we once had the extraordinary capacity to compete with a miniscule player pool and that CAN be resurrected. There's a reason why even Associates currently don't really want to play us. Its just maths at the end of the day- we probably have less than 50 senior cricketers that perhaps had enough of a junior grounding to be able to take their cricket up a notch or two and they're not doing that in our current environment.
Don't let anyone tell you it's hundreds. I was being kind, it's way less than 50.

[TapsC2]

Hopefully Houghton can organize those County games again at the end of the season so that we can see for ourselves. Covid allowing of course. I was assuming that's what those Northern versus Southerns games on the fixture list were about. I am personally not convinced that the lowest 2nd division team would beat our national team on paper. Not a once off game but a series.

To me Dane getting a contract also shows we can't be that far off. Dane was probably the 6th best batsman we had at the last u19 World Cup and he still got a contract. At u19 level He averaged 17. Marumani 31, Wes 25, Bawa 40, Shumba 33, Myers 26. So my question then is if the best from their generation (Muyeye) and maybe the least talented out of the actual talent(Dane) can get a County contract... then surely the gulf in class can't be extremely big? If they had a way get a visa how many of our senior team wouldn't get a contract? Thats how I look at it. I'm talking about the real guys not Chibhabha and co

[Tinah09]

Hopefully Houghton can organize those County games again at the end of the season so that we can see for ourselves. Covid allowing of course. I was assuming that's what those Northern versus Southerns games on the fixture list were about. I am personally not convinced that the lowest 2nd division team would beat our national team on paper. Not a once off game but a series.

To me Dane getting a contract also shows we can't be that far off. Dane was probably the 6th best batsman we had at the last u19 World Cup and he still got a contract. At u19 level He averaged 17. Marumani 31, Wes 25, Bawa 40, Shumba 33, Myers 26. So my question then is if the best from their generation (Muyeye) and maybe the least talented out of the actual talent(Dane) can get a County contract... then surely the gulf in class can't be extremely big? If they had a way get a visa how many of our senior team wouldn't get a contract? Thats how I look at it. I'm talking about the real guys not Chibhabha and co

Thank you, this obvious discrepancy has been bothering me too. Another case is Antony Ireland, after an underwhelming ODI career of 26 ODIs, best 3/41, no 4 fors or 5 fors, as a specialist strike bowler!! where he played second fiddle to the lovable, but limited Chris Mpofu. Yet Ireland went on to have a fruitful career with Gloucestershire and Leicestershire. The baseline assumption that all things county is superior is deeply flawed.

[Marshmallow]

If any one get live scorecard of ireland u19 vs zimbabwe u19 please share.

[secretzimbo]

If any one get live scorecard of ireland u19 vs zimbabwe u19 please share.

https://live.nvplay.com/ireland/#m2184e ... 840a0dd039

Will be here when they start later.

[Googly]

Hopefully Houghton can organize those County games again at the end of the season so that we can see for ourselves. Covid allowing of course. I was assuming that's what those Northern versus Southerns games on the fixture list were about. I am personally not convinced that the lowest 2nd division team would beat our national team on paper. Not a once off game but a series.

To me Dane getting a contract also shows we can't be that far off. Dane was probably the 6th best batsman we had at the last u19 World Cup and he still got a contract. At u19 level He averaged 17. Marumani 31, Wes 25, Bawa 40, Shumba 33, Myers 26. So my question then is if the best from their generation (Muyeye) and maybe the least talented out of the actual talent(Dane) can get a County contract... then surely the gulf in class can't be extremely big? If they had a way get a visa how many of our senior team wouldn't get a contract? Thats how I look at it. I'm talking about the real guys not Chibhabha and co

Those stats don't tell the story.
Firstly Schardendorf batted out of position. He was sent in at 8, if I recall, as a pinch hitter when he should have been up the order. Had he been 1-4 he may well have had much better stats. He came in and had to swing more often than not and that's not his game.
They also pick on potential, and he's got that.
They also needed a reserve keeper that they could coach. He's a good keeper as well. Had they picked an established keeper who wasn't going to get much game time that would not have ended well. They clearly figured Dane had potential and would grow in Two's and Academy.
He's also struggled a bit, it's a big step up.
He's not going to get many games with the incumbent Moores there, I think he got some games when Moores played the 100.

I don't think you can take a single series and decide who has the most and least talent. Guys can also be out of form, get unlucky, get a couple of shit decisions etc.
A certain level of talent is a prerequisite, the rest is between the ears.
If I were to make a talent line up out of those players in that previous squad I'd go Myers Madhevere/Schardendorf but as I said it's just a piece of the puzzle.

I also don't think the gulf has ever been that big at schoolboy level, but starts extending at u19. It's thereafter that it's huge. It's more about the system than the players, and I've also always said that. Anyway let's hope Covid ends and we get a County here next year, it will be damned interesting.