Logan Cup: Eagles v Mountaineers & Tuskers v Rhinos (6th-9th Feb)

[secretzimbo]

I still think Mavuta goes for a few too many runs per over at FC level. This suggests there are still too many bad balls and that top international players are going to tuck into him, unfortunately. Hope I'm wrong.

Yeah I agree. Mavuta, Ndlovu and Chisoro are all good bowlers and take loads of wickets, but the averages this season perhaps show the big difference between all of them and Wellington.

Mavuta - 30 wickets at 33.63
Ndlovu - 26 wickets at 29.69
Chisoro - 24 wickets at 29.62

......Wellington - 29 wickets at 17.68

[TapsC2]

I still think Mavuta goes for a few too many runs per over at FC level. This suggests there are still too many bad balls and that top international players are going to tuck into him, unfortunately. Hope I'm wrong.

Yeah I agree. Mavuta, Ndlovu and Chisoro are all good bowlers and take loads of wickets, but the averages this season perhaps show the big difference between all of them and Wellington.

Mavuta - 30 wickets at 33.63
Ndlovu - 26 wickets at 29.69
Chisoro - 24 wickets at 29.62

......Wellington - 29 wickets at 17.68

Yes Wellington has come good and with Williams nowhere to be found for the Logan Cup I am assuming Wellington plays in a test match too. If that's the case then Burl would have to crack the test team off his batting.

What is a decent average for a leg spinner in the longer format? World Class, 23 year old Rashid Khan has a test average of about 22. Our own Graeme Cremer averaged 45 in test matches, 28 at FC level. Mavuta also has a FC average of 28, 59 in his 2 tests.

[Googly]

Except Mavuta is a leggie, who you'd naturally assume to be a bit more expensive. I haven't seen him bowl in a while, I wonder what variations he's got?
Shamzi, Khan and quite a few others seem to bowl more googlies than leggies, certainly in the T20 format, and 95% of their wickets are with them. I don't understand how the batters don't pick the googly, just assume it's a googly.
The strain on your shoulder bowling repeated googlies is very high.
I saw a couple of the batters are taking Khan on with sweeps and they've been effective, such an important shot if you can do it well.

[Googly]

From what I recall of Cremer he had tremendous control but used the googly very sparingly and perhaps that was his only variation? He didn't have much loop either, and when he was under the pump he tended to bowl a bit faster. I watched the one test and he'd bowled about 8 overs before he tried a googly. They were well disguised as well, his hand was very fast at the top. At international level you can have all the control in the world, but if you bowl bog standard stuff you're not going to set it alight, you need some variations and need to be a bit of a trickster.

[slcricfan1]

I still think Mavuta goes for a few too many runs per over at FC level. This suggests there are still too many bad balls and that top international players are going to tuck into him, unfortunately. Hope I'm wrong.

Yeah I agree. Mavuta, Ndlovu and Chisoro are all good bowlers and take loads of wickets, but the averages this season perhaps show the big difference between all of them and Wellington.

Mavuta - 30 wickets at 33.63
Ndlovu - 26 wickets at 29.69
Chisoro - 24 wickets at 29.62

......Wellington - 29 wickets at 17.68

Yes Wellington has come good and with Williams nowhere to be found for the Logan Cup I am assuming Wellington plays in a test match too. If that's the case then Burl would have to crack the test team off his batting.

What is a decent average for a leg spinner in the longer format? World Class, 23 year old Rashid Khan has a test average of about 22. Our own Graeme Cremer averaged 45 in test matches, 28 at FC level. Mavuta also has a FC average of 28, 59 in his 2 tests.

Leg spinners dont work in test lol. Zim should be looking for some nice offies. Which is why I have a lot of hope in Wes. Even if his batting isnt 30+, his bowling is dangerous enough for him to play as an all rounder and provide some balance

[Googly]

Or left arm orthodox.
Why don't leggies work?

[slcricfan1]

Or left arm orthodox.
Why don't leggies work?

I`m not sure tbh. Probably because spinners need to be very accurate in test cricket and leg spinners find it much harder than off spinners. Either way, the major reason I said that is because there isnt a single test quality leggie from anywhere besides maybe Yasir Shah but even he dropped off.

[Googly]

Several commentators I've heard keep talking about the value of wrist spinners and they're actually in real short supply atm. It sort of goes in waves- left arm orthodox was in demand a while back and now they're practically a dime a dozen. The one action that will probably always be in short supply is a chinaman bowler, but I guarantee we will now start seeing a couple. I can't pick a Chinaman's delivery on slo-mo on TV, my brain just doesn't compute which way it's going.
Leggies are definitely coming back into fashion, but the good ones will need to be able to be equally good at googlies and maybe a slider. They're hot property in T20's.

A ripping leggie on a day 5 disintegrating track has to surely be a great option.

[Googly]

That ambidextrous Aussie youngster would be a handful if he could bowl leggies and offies with either hand.
The trick in T20's is to be able to bowl at about 95kph and just back of a length so it keeps you in your crease and just enuf turn to keep you honest. It's so hard to get that delivery away. I saw two batters sweeping Khan successfully the other day, but you have to really reach for it (it would be a big advantage being tall), his googlies and straight ones have a lot of overspin so it's a high risk shot because you can top edge it, you've got to go hard at it.
You almost have to play him like a medium pacer if you're not sweeping.
The only way you're going to get familiar with his deliveries, unless he bowls at you in the nets is on a Merlin.
I can't believe the price of those things, they're around 20k.

[Googly]

I also think that there are so many left handed batsmen around now and leggies definitely have difficulty bowling at them, especially if there's a left right combo at the crease.