ESPNCRICINFO reports that Gary Ballance has retired from all cricket - does anybody know details, what happened ?

[jontym87]

So why quit

You clearly do not understand the magnitude and ramifications for this right? The results of the matches which Ballance played will/can be nullified. Meaning it will be a major setback for ZC as that series was part of the WC qualification cycle.

Even if he had not quit he was facing a 4yr ban automatically career is over you think he will make a comeback at 37/38

Is it true that BT failed a test on his final tour as well? Seems like there were no consequences to that.

Sad. This version of events makes more sense and proves one of Rafiq's allegations to be true. Done himself a great disservice.

There were 'no consequences' since he retired otherwise he was also going to be banned. I guess you don't understand how these violations are handled.

[jontym87]

So why quit

You clearly do not understand the magnitude and ramifications for this right? The results of the matches which Ballance played will/can be nullified. Meaning it will be a major setback for ZC as that series was part of the WC qualification cycle.

The results absolutely can NOT be nullified, btw. That's straight up bullshit.

Funny how you're so quick to dismiss everything without knowledge of the ICC Code of conduct.

Ok i will leave you with this:

ARTICLE 9 AUTOMATIC DISQUALIFICATION OF INDIVIDUAL RESULTS
An anti-doping rule violation in connection with or arising out of an In-Competition test automatically leads to Disqualification of the individual results obtained by the Player’s individual performance in the International Match in question, including without limitation and where possible, forfeiture of any individual medals or other prizes awarded.

ARTICLE 10 SANCTIONS ON INDIVIDUALS
10.1 Disqualification of Individual Results in an ICC Event During Which an Anti-Doping
Rule Violation occurs

10.1.1 Subject to Article 10.1.2, where a Player is found to have committed an anti-doping rule violation during or in connection with an International Match in an ICC Event where the Player also participated in other International Matches (for example, the anti-doping rule violation was committed during or in connection with the final of an ICC Event and the Player had participated in earlier rounds of the ICC Event),
then in addition to the Consequences set out at Article 9 (in relation to the Disqualification of individual results obtained by the Player’s individual
performance in the particular International Match during or in connection with which the anti-doping rule violation was committed), the anti-doping rule violation may also, where possible, lead to Disqualification of all of the individual results obtained by the Player’s individual performances in the other International Matches that he/she participated in during the ICC Event in question and consequently the forfeiture of any individual medals or other prizes awarded, except as provided in Article 10.1.2. Factors to be included in considering whether to Disqualify other results in an ICC Event might include, for example, the seriousness of the Player’s anti-doping rule violation and whether the Player tested negative in the other Matches played as part of the ICC Event.

10.1.2 If the Player establishes that he/she bears No Fault or Negligence for the violation, the Player’s individual results in the International Matches other than the International Match during or in connection with which the anti-doping rule violation occurred shall not be Disqualified unless the ICC establishes that the Player’s results in the other International Matches were likely to have been affected by his/her anti-doping rule violation.


10.2 Imposition of a Period of Ineligibility for the Presence, Use or Attempted Use, or Possession of a Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method
The period of Ineligibility imposed for a violation of Article 2.1 (presence of Prohibited Substance or its Metabolites or Markers in a Sample), Article 2.2 (Use or Attempted Use of Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method) or Article 2.6 (Possession of Prohibited Substances and Methods) that is the Player
or other Person’s first offence shall be as follows, unless the conditions for eliminating, reducing or suspending the period of Ineligibility (as provided in Articles 10.5. 10.6 and 10.7) are met.

10.2.1 The period of Ineligibility, subject to Article 10.2.4, shall be four years where:

(a) the anti-doping rule violation does not involve a Specified Substance or a Specified Method, unless the Player or other Person can establish that the
anti-doping rule violation was not intentional;

(b) the anti-doping rule violation involves a Specified Substance or a Specified Method and the ICC establishes that the anti-doping rule violation was
intentional;

10.2.2 If Article 10.2.1 does not apply, subject to Article 10.2.4.1, the period of Ineligibility shall be two years.

[zimbos_05]

I’m not saying he should have played a year of Logan cup. But leading up to the 1st Test against Windies Logan Cup was happening. There were 3 rounds of matches played when it was announced that he has signed a contract. The least that could have been done is play a single game. Mind you he had not played any meaningful cricket for over a year. You can’t compare with Mire because Mire was playing competitive cricket at that time unlike Gazza.

You question is a good one. Where would he bat? He had to contend fighting Slug, Willy and Raza for a place.

Him scoring a century straight away though would debunk that he needed to play Logan Cup

Even if he had not quit he was facing a 4yr ban automatically career is over you think he will make a comeback at 37/38

If its a 4 year ban, why did those other two players get a few months?

[Googly]

Is there not a distinction between performance enhancing drugs and recreational drugs? Plus there's a likelihood of him having been on an anti-depressant that may have been on the banned list.
Hales was caught and first offence was a warning and second offence was a 21 day ban, but that may be at FC level?

I've seen the list of banned drugs/medications and its just straight up ridiculous.

Who tested him? Were there ICC suits here doing obligatory tests or were they here on a tip off or what?

Fuck this is bleak news.

[jontym87]

I’m not saying he should have played a year of Logan cup. But leading up to the 1st Test against Windies Logan Cup was happening. There were 3 rounds of matches played when it was announced that he has signed a contract. The least that could have been done is play a single game. Mind you he had not played any meaningful cricket for over a year. You can’t compare with Mire because Mire was playing competitive cricket at that time unlike Gazza.

You question is a good one. Where would he bat? He had to contend fighting Slug, Willy and Raza for a place.

Him scoring a century straight away though would debunk that he needed to play Logan Cup

Even if he had not quit he was facing a 4yr ban automatically career is over you think he will make a comeback at 37/38

If its a 4 year ban, why did those other two players get a few months?

Well there could be an argument that he is a 'cheat and not clean' since he was taking banned substances. Argument is when you have selection policies why violate those policies in order to accommodate 1 person? What was so special about him? Being a 'disgraced racist and a drug addict'??


Those two youngsters are first time offenders. Some substances and methods are prohibited at all times (such as in Gazza's case) and others are only prohibited in-competition these youngsters were caught smoking marijuana and were never tested because there was no competition they were taking part in. Just like how England batsman Alex Hales was been banned from cricket for 21 days for recreational drug use.

[jontym87]

Is there not a distinction between performance enhancing drugs and recreational drugs? Plus there's a likelihood of him having been on an anti-depressant that may have been on the banned list.
Hales was caught and first offence was a warning and second offence was a 21 day ban, but that may be at FC level?

I've seen the list of banned drugs/medications and its just straight up ridiculous.

Who tested him? Were there ICC suits here doing obligatory tests or were they here on a tip off or what?

Fuck this is bleak news.

I don't think cocaine, meth and other related drugs can be used as anti depressants!

Mate the people who carry out these drug tests and analyse the samples are not stupid and neither ICC is. Do you know even an Asthma inhaler is on banned substances however there are exceptions for genuine case for athletes who need this for survival. In case of prescribed medication if its on banned substances list you have to notify ICC, WADA etc beforehand.

[secretzimbo]

You are talking out your arse. of course there are individual sanction and bans. But you suggested it would nullify the teams results which is just bullshit, and has literally never happened.

[jontym87]

Is there not a distinction between performance enhancing drugs and recreational drugs? Plus there's a likelihood of him having been on an anti-depressant that may have been on the banned list.
Hales was caught and first offence was a warning and second offence was a 21 day ban, but that may be at FC level?

I've seen the list of banned drugs/medications and its just straight up ridiculous.

Who tested him? Were there ICC suits here doing obligatory tests or were they here on a tip off or what?

Fuck this is bleak news.

It was random in-competition tests carried out by ICC. Cricketers are solely responsible for what is found in their bodies under the principal of ‘strict liability’.

However, there are Therapeutic Use Exemptions (TUEs) - Should a player have a genuine medical need to take a prohibited substance, they must ensure they have a TUE in place BEFORE they begin taking it. It is the player’s responsibility to obtain and complete a TUE application, and supply the necessary accompanying evidence.

There is no escape here for Gazz because he has historical cases.

[secretzimbo]

https://www.icc-cricket.com/about/integ ... -integrity

BT got a 1-month ban for drugs.

[jontym87]

https://www.icc-cricket.com/about/integ ... -integrity

BT got a 1-month ban for drugs.

Why you so ignorant to the fact that BT managed to prove to ICC that the use of the substance occurred Out-of-Competition and was unrelated to
sport performance unlike in the case we have at hand. Raza Hasan of Pakistan was banned for 24 months for same offence (Presence of Prohibited Substance - Benzoylecgonine) as BT but circumstances were different.