Zimbabwe A vs Pakistan A

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tej_27
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Raza would have returned by now . I think we should now surely play 11 that we think are going to actually play.
Marumani
Madhevere
Ervine
Williams
Raza (should play, was anyway warming bench in last few games)
Burl
Madande
Mazakadza
Ngarava if available (or else nyuchi)
Muzarbani
Chatara

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Chats would be first choice for me now. However you definitely need Evans in the mix. Blessing and Ngarava might have shone with the bat but in a team prone to batting collapses you would need evans down the order. He is that x factor player to me. His contributions in the wc against pak with both bat and ball were immense. Also in the 3rd odi against India in both departments which unfortunately ended in defeat.

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zimbos_05 wrote:
Mon May 22, 2023 12:51 am
The Qualifiers are different kettle of fish. Teams have much higher quality players than the Shaheens. We can't expect to win with totals of 250 and less, at least not regularly. We really need to improve big time.
I’m not an expert on Pakistani domestic cricket personally. But my assessment from watching quite a lot of this series would be that this Shaheens team would be on a par with most of the associates. Of course SL and WI are gonna be a big step up though, but I don’t think this Pak A team are terrible at all.

Also the pitches have been pretty good, fair contest of bat and ball I feel. I think 250 has been par, rather than 300. Funny that the two games we were under par, we won. And the game we were over, we lost. Funny old game.
Lost the toss and batting first every time as well. It’s bloody hard batting in Harare at 9am in the winter. Not many harder conditions in the world for that first hour or two

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The Shaheen's fast bowling department is serious especially at 9am in Harare. They are a good side. This is the same as facing Alzarri Joseph or Josh Little at 9am in Harare. I'm sure Wes and Marumani won't have the same fear factor if that happens next month.

I think the difference for them is just mentality. They make the same mistakes teams at our level make but otherwise they are decent. I think both sides have benefitted greatly from this series. The ODIs have been a good test for them too.

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Shaheens team could have been better actually. They could have included the likes of Hasnain, Ihsanullah, Abrar Ahmed, in the bowling department. But good to have the likes of Dahani, Jamal and Hamza in there, they are quite good too.

In batting they could have included Saud Shakeel, Abdullah Shafique, Mohammad Haris. However, here again Ghulam, Qasim Akram, Omar bin Yusuf are fine players. Saim Ayub is a bit of a hack but he had a good PSL.

So overall, yes, it is a decent side. At par with associates indeed.

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secretzimbo wrote:
Mon May 22, 2023 6:25 am

I’m not an expert on Pakistani domestic cricket personally. But my assessment from watching quite a lot of this series would be that this Shaheens team would be on a par with most of the associates. Of course SL and WI are gonna be a big step up though, but I don’t think this Pak A team are terrible at all.

Also the pitches have been pretty good, fair contest of bat and ball I feel. I think 250 has been par, rather than 300. Funny that the two games we were under par, we won. And the game we were over, we lost. Funny old game.
Lost the toss and batting first every time as well. It’s bloody hard batting in Harare at 9am in the winter. Not many harder conditions in the world for that first hour or two
The main difference for me is that even though the Associates are often considered levels down than the full members, they do have players that can change a game. Some of these players also play regular cricket and do so at a good level. Our players are very much undercooked in terms of amount of cricket and level of cricket, not to mention their own progression.

I think of any of the nations, Zimbabwe should be the one not taking the associates lightly. We've lost to them many times before and from what we are seeing, there is definitely a lot of reliance on our bowling that the associates could definitely worry us.

We've lost in recent time to Netherlands, Namibia, and Scotland. We are reliant on very few players and those players are also at the end of their careers. We haven't really seen of the youngsters come through and cement a spot. We've seen glimpses from them, but nothing to say that the future is in comfortable hands.

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What are the predictions for the retirements of Williams, Ervine and Raza?
Presumably they're not going to bow out at exactly the same time. Raza will be last to go and that will depend on how long he can keep his T20 career going.
We've heard that it will be after the qualifiers, or after the WC...if we sneak through, but they might extend it for another year.
What is immediately after this WC?

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Googly wrote:
Tue May 23, 2023 5:32 am
What are the predictions for the retirements of Williams, Ervine and Raza?
Presumably they're not going to bow out at exactly the same time. Raza will be last to go and that will depend on how long he can keep his T20 career going.
We've heard that it will be after the qualifiers, or after the WC...if we sneak through, but they might extend it for another year.
What is immediately after this WC?
I think Ervine will retire first , probably after this campaign. Williams has another 1-2 years and Raza 2-3 years for mine .

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Ballance is a huge loss , would have been around for 4-5 years and help soften the blow of losing all the experience of the other 3 .

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Googly wrote:
Tue May 23, 2023 5:32 am
What are the predictions for the retirements of Williams, Ervine and Raza?
Presumably they're not going to bow out at exactly the same time. Raza will be last to go and that will depend on how long he can keep his T20 career going.
We've heard that it will be after the qualifiers, or after the WC...if we sneak through, but they might extend it for another year.
What is immediately after this WC?
I think it is a certainty that Craig and Sean retire immediately after the qualifier, or the World Cup if we get there. I have no doubt at all.

Raza will have 1-2 years left thankfully. Although whether he will remain available for every single game or series remains to be seen I suppose. If we don’t qualify and there is a big fallout like 2018 then he might just retire instantly as well.

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