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zimbos_05 wrote:
Tue Jul 08, 2025 7:38 am
TapsC2 wrote:
Tue Jul 08, 2025 2:21 am
I'm still not 100% convinced by the coaching staff mainly on some tactical decisions they make but with our own eyes we have seen Bennett and Chivanga improve.
That's not just been an issue with these coaches. It's been a thing for some time. I'm convinced our players are just not tactically smart enough and make up things on the fly, even if it goes against the coaches instruction.
If you ever read Butchart book.
He touches on this.

A system/culture of not being able to speak out.

Add the fact that each year it’s the same players in the domestic comp. So you really don’t have to think tactics

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Andy31 wrote:
Tue Jul 08, 2025 7:43 am
zimbos_05 wrote:
Tue Jul 08, 2025 7:38 am
TapsC2 wrote:
Tue Jul 08, 2025 2:21 am
I'm still not 100% convinced by the coaching staff mainly on some tactical decisions they make but with our own eyes we have seen Bennett and Chivanga improve.
That's not just been an issue with these coaches. It's been a thing for some time. I'm convinced our players are just not tactically smart enough and make up things on the fly, even if it goes against the coaches instruction.
If you ever read Butchart book.
He touches on this.

A system/culture of not being able to speak out.

Add the fact that each year it’s the same players in the domestic comp. So you really don’t have to think tactics
Alan Butcher, not Ian Butchart.
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Ervine is the skip but remember for the first 15 years he avoided that like the plague or no one gave it to him, he is pretty much last man standing for the role.
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Andy31 wrote:
Tue Jul 08, 2025 7:43 am
zimbos_05 wrote:
Tue Jul 08, 2025 7:38 am
TapsC2 wrote:
Tue Jul 08, 2025 2:21 am
I'm still not 100% convinced by the coaching staff mainly on some tactical decisions they make but with our own eyes we have seen Bennett and Chivanga improve.
That's not just been an issue with these coaches. It's been a thing for some time. I'm convinced our players are just not tactically smart enough and make up things on the fly, even if it goes against the coaches instruction.
If you ever read Butchart book.
He touches on this.

A system/culture of not being able to speak out.

Add the fact that each year it’s the same players in the domestic comp. So you really don’t have to think tactics
I'll say it again. Mentality. Our guys get a call up and think they've made it.

There's no desire to keep going. To improve beyond what we are at..there's no extra learning and wanting to do that.

Too often we are our guys get the call up and then just plateau. Hammy is the prime example. I still think he had the potential to be a cricket great for his era, but he wasted his career. His stats suggest otherwise, but it's not doing him any favours, because he was just happy with taking it easy. If he even tried to go a level up, he'd had done some truly wonderful things in his career.

Instead, I'll always remember him for trying to Jonty Rhodes a runout and failing miserably.

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zimbos_05 wrote:
Tue Jul 08, 2025 8:00 am
Andy31 wrote:
Tue Jul 08, 2025 7:43 am
zimbos_05 wrote:
Tue Jul 08, 2025 7:38 am


That's not just been an issue with these coaches. It's been a thing for some time. I'm convinced our players are just not tactically smart enough and make up things on the fly, even if it goes against the coaches instruction.
If you ever read Butchart book.
He touches on this.

A system/culture of not being able to speak out.

Add the fact that each year it’s the same players in the domestic comp. So you really don’t have to think tactics
I'll say it again. Mentality. Our guys get a call up and think they've made it.

There's no desire to keep going. To improve beyond what we are at..there's no extra learning and wanting to do that.

Too often we are our guys get the call up and then just plateau. Hammy is the prime example. I still think he had the potential to be a cricket great for his era, but he wasted his career. His stats suggest otherwise, but it's not doing him any favours, because he was just happy with taking it easy. If he even tried to go a level up, he'd had done some truly wonderful things in his career.

Instead, I'll always remember him for trying to Jonty Rhodes a runout and failing miserably.
its the 'take 3 years to go to a foreign uni' thing too, Hammy is prime example, but also Dion.
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Zim would be better offering a grant or something to one under 19 each World Cup to stay for three years.

Then go study.

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About as good as you could expect from Kaitano. I would like to see Welch spend as much time out in the middle with an old head like Williams as possible. Can only be beneficial for him give his recent form
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AussieZimFan wrote:
Tue Jul 08, 2025 8:42 am
About as good as you could expect from Kaitano. I would like to see Welch spend as much time out in the middle with an old head like Williams. Can only be beneficial for him
Welch doing his best here to go out.

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Gee they don’t want to have another look at the no ball.

With Williams gone. Will anyone take it upon themselves to make some runs.

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Welch will thrive in T20s and ODIs. Can't blame him, he has to get into the team somehow and this was the format which gave him a chance.

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