Logan Cup Round 5: Rhinos vs Mountaineers & Rocks vs |Eagles - 3rd-6th Feb)

[aydee]

I'd love to hear your take on why Mountaineers have imploded

Well, it's more or less the same personnel, in more or less the same roles, but to a man they have played worse than last year, in some case considerably worse.

I can't give you a why though, unfortunately.

[Jemisi]

Wow, good comeback from the Rocks

[Googly]

I'd love to hear your take on why Mountaineers have imploded

Well, it's more or less the same personnel, in more or less the same roles, but to a man they have played worse than last year, in some case considerably worse.

I can't give you a why though, unfortunately.

More or less the same personnel? You're joking surely?

It's the perfect case study of how nepotism, tribalism and racism destroys cricket. As if we needed further proof. Im assuming the upcoming WC will deliver that as well. The recent last two and the numerous previous one we havent qualifief for certainly have.

They sacked Shadendorf, Moor, Mangongo, and now Welch Jr, rarely play Mike Frost and have a captain that has played cricket for about 2 decades and knows absolutely nothing about it, and the Manicas have closed ranks. They don't like the Harare boys of any color. They have no coaching staff and the umpires continue to play a hand, especially when there's no livestream. NW's continuous lbw's warrant investigation by someone, it's disgusting what they're doing. There's little point in playing if you know that when it hits your pads the umpire will start screaming in delight and do a victory lap. They'd give him out if he was walking onto the field and an errant tennis ball from the tennis section hit him in the back.
Welch Jr hits thousands of balls a week and gets dropped? Sure he's been out of nick, but dropped for guys who have never made a run...and never will. Long may their misfortunes continue. Mike Frost is a sharp player, can't get a game?

Both Campbell's also got rough lbw's and Frost got a caught off his shoulder. They read the memo. These guys are completely wasting their time playing cricket.

Theyve got a whole squad of match winners from U19 looking for spots in FC, the future is bright.

[secretzimbo]

I'd love to hear your take on why Mountaineers have imploded

Well, it's more or less the same personnel, in more or less the same roles, but to a man they have played worse than last year, in some case considerably worse.

I can't give you a why though, unfortunately.

Surely trolling?!

[TapsC2]

I'd love to hear your take on why Mountaineers have imploded

Well, it's more or less the same personnel, in more or less the same roles, but to a man they have played worse than last year, in some case considerably worse.

I can't give you a why though, unfortunately.

More or less the same personnel? You're joking surely?

It's the perfect case study of how nepotism, tribalism and racism destroys cricket. As if we needed further proof. Im assuming the upcoming WC will deliver that as well. The recent last two and the numerous previous one we havent qualifief for certainly have.

They sacked Shadendorf, Moor, Mangongo, and now Welch Jr, rarely play Mike Frost and have a captain that has played cricket for about 2 decades and knows absolutely nothing about it, and the Manicas have closed ranks. They don't like the Harare boys of any color. They have no coaching staff and the umpires continue to play a hand, especially when there's no livestream. NW's continuous lbw's warrant investigation by someone, it's disgusting what they're doing. There's little point in playing if you know that when it hits your pads the umpire will start screaming in delight and do a victory lap. They'd give him out if he was walking onto the field and an errant tennis ball from the tennis section hit him in the back.
Welch Jr hits thousands of balls a week and gets dropped? Sure he's been out of nick, but dropped for guys who have never made a run...and never will. Long may their misfortunes continue. Mike Frost is a sharp player, can't get a game?

Both Campbell's also got rough lbw's and Frost got a caught off his shoulder. They read the memo. These guys are completely wasting their time playing cricket.

Theyve got a whole squad of match winners from U19 looking for spots in FC, the future is bright.

Im a big fan of NW. I just feel like the constant noise and chatter about him doesn't help his cause. At a certain point he has to let the bat do the talking. I counted 3 or 4 LBWs in his last 12 innings, 1 bowled by Faraz and a quite a few caught in the T20s.

I will give Curran as an example of someone who didn't find it easy when he came into the system but he put the work in. Look how he isn't in the T20 side but he finished 3rd in the domestic T20 with the highest strike rate amongst the top 10 run scorers. That is enough to give you a chance after the world cup.

At the end of the day it just seems there is an always an excuse about why NW performed poorly. Bogus umpires, bogus pitch etc. Thats not a good look in my opinion. There is no doubt he has what it takes. He just needs to lock in. Change franchise if it's not working.

[aydee]

I'd love to hear your take on why Mountaineers have imploded

Well, it's more or less the same personnel, in more or less the same roles, but to a man they have played worse than last year, in some case considerably worse.

I can't give you a why though, unfortunately.

More or less the same personnel? You're joking surely?

It's the perfect case study of how nepotism, tribalism and racism destroys cricket. As if we needed further proof. Im assuming the upcoming WC will deliver that as well. The recent last two and the numerous previous one we havent qualifief for certainly have.

They sacked Shadendorf, Moor, Mangongo, and now Welch Jr, rarely play Mike Frost and have a captain that has played cricket for about 2 decades and knows absolutely nothing about it, and the Manicas have closed ranks. They don't like the Harare boys of any color. They have no coaching staff and the umpires continue to play a hand, especially when there's no livestream. NW's continuous lbw's warrant investigation by someone, it's disgusting what they're doing. There's little point in playing if you know that when it hits your pads the umpire will start screaming in delight and do a victory lap. They'd give him out if he was walking onto the field and an errant tennis ball from the tennis section hit him in the back.
Welch Jr hits thousands of balls a week and gets dropped? Sure he's been out of nick, but dropped for guys who have never made a run...and never will. Long may their misfortunes continue. Mike Frost is a sharp player, can't get a game?

Both Campbell's also got rough lbw's and Frost got a caught off his shoulder. They read the memo. These guys are completely wasting their time playing cricket.

Theyve got a whole squad of match winners from U19 looking for spots in FC, the future is bright.

Schadendorf played no red ball last season. Moor barely played. They weren't major contributors to success last year. Nick Welch was. Frost was. Chatara was. Nyauchi was. Masekesa was. Matt Welch was. They're all having poor seasons so far.

Welch Jr is the biggest example of someone who has played much worse this year. His form in the last 12 months has been really sad to see. 67 runs in 5 innings this year. Welch senior had a great time last year, averaging 28 this year. Frost had a great time last year, averaging 19 this year. Chatara and Nyauchi were the best new ball pair last year, 8 wickets between them all season this year. Masekesa had a prolific year last year, averaging 54 this year. Mawadzi has barely contributed. Maruma has barely contributed.

I like Mike Frost, and he played all the T20s and went ok. With Welly away, I was thinking he'd get a go, but still waiting. But then... he didn't play last year, so it's not as if this explains reduced performance.

Obviously I can't comment on umpiring decisions I haven't seen... lol.

Fair to say their overseas have been less impactful than the guys at Rhinos, Eagles and Rocks.

[aydee]

Wow, good comeback from the Rocks

Good game of cricket in the end!

That Campbell/Tsiga partnership turned it around initially, and then Nyamhuri made a real impact in the 4th innings.

Ervine was 40*, playing positively and looking like he was taking Eagles home. Then got out to Matt Campbell. Would have loved to see how that went down on a livestream. Caught by Roy, so I'm guessing top edged slog sweep. Guessing Mutumbami would have been at slip.

[Googly]

Well, it's more or less the same personnel, in more or less the same roles, but to a man they have played worse than last year, in some case considerably worse.

I can't give you a why though, unfortunately.

More or less the same personnel? You're joking surely?

It's the perfect case study of how nepotism, tribalism and racism destroys cricket. As if we needed further proof. Im assuming the upcoming WC will deliver that as well. The recent last two and the numerous previous one we havent qualifief for certainly have.

They sacked Shadendorf, Moor, Mangongo, and now Welch Jr, rarely play Mike Frost and have a captain that has played cricket for about 2 decades and knows absolutely nothing about it, and the Manicas have closed ranks. They don't like the Harare boys of any color. They have no coaching staff and the umpires continue to play a hand, especially when there's no livestream. NW's continuous lbw's warrant investigation by someone, it's disgusting what they're doing. There's little point in playing if you know that when it hits your pads the umpire will start screaming in delight and do a victory lap. They'd give him out if he was walking onto the field and an errant tennis ball from the tennis section hit him in the back.
Welch Jr hits thousands of balls a week and gets dropped? Sure he's been out of nick, but dropped for guys who have never made a run...and never will. Long may their misfortunes continue. Mike Frost is a sharp player, can't get a game?

Both Campbell's also got rough lbw's and Frost got a caught off his shoulder. They read the memo. These guys are completely wasting their time playing cricket.

Theyve got a whole squad of match winners from U19 looking for spots in FC, the future is bright.

Schadendorf played no red ball last season. Moor barely played. They weren't major contributors to success last year. Nick Welch was. Frost was. Chatara was. Nyauchi was. Masekesa was. Matt Welch was. They're all having poor seasons so far.

Welch Jr is the biggest example of someone who has played much worse this year. His form in the last 12 months has been really sad to see. 67 runs in 5 innings this year. Welch senior had a great time last year, averaging 28 this year. Frost had a great time last year, averaging 19 this year. Chatara and Nyauchi were the best new ball pair last year, 8 wickets between them all season this year. Masekesa had a prolific year last year, averaging 54 this year. Mawadzi has barely contributed. Maruma has barely contributed.

I like Mike Frost, and he played all the T20s and went ok. With Welly away, I was thinking he'd get a go, but still waiting. But then... he didn't play last year, so it's not as if this explains reduced performance.

Obviously I can't comment on umpiring decisions I haven't seen... lol.

Fair to say their overseas have been less impactful than the guys at Rhinos, Eagles and Rocks.

Well they didnt play after the first few games because they got sacked.
MW's FC season has been 23* 0 6 0 38
Career average 37 aged 21
His 50 over has been 0 and 29
Why do you think its sad? Very curious?
Frustrating for someone so good perhaps, but not sad, unless you know something we dont??
If there was a coach worth a damn he'd work with him, review footage and see how to get him back in the saddle, dont you think?
I could spend 10 minutes finding 50 guys currently worse, some in the national side

A nice comparison is the guy who has replaced him
Magodo 9 1 1 11 18
Career average of 14

Chatara is a boss now, doesn't need to try hard, future is secure and made peace with the fact he is not making the national side again. Nothing to play for.

Heads are down because nepotsim, tribalism and racism have taken over. Tough to play under a captain who doesnt have a clue, arrives late, doesnt say anything, doesn't appear to mind if they get smashed.

[aydee]

More or less the same personnel? You're joking surely?

It's the perfect case study of how nepotism, tribalism and racism destroys cricket. As if we needed further proof. Im assuming the upcoming WC will deliver that as well. The recent last two and the numerous previous one we havent qualifief for certainly have.

They sacked Shadendorf, Moor, Mangongo, and now Welch Jr, rarely play Mike Frost and have a captain that has played cricket for about 2 decades and knows absolutely nothing about it, and the Manicas have closed ranks. They don't like the Harare boys of any color. They have no coaching staff and the umpires continue to play a hand, especially when there's no livestream. NW's continuous lbw's warrant investigation by someone, it's disgusting what they're doing. There's little point in playing if you know that when it hits your pads the umpire will start screaming in delight and do a victory lap. They'd give him out if he was walking onto the field and an errant tennis ball from the tennis section hit him in the back.
Welch Jr hits thousands of balls a week and gets dropped? Sure he's been out of nick, but dropped for guys who have never made a run...and never will. Long may their misfortunes continue. Mike Frost is a sharp player, can't get a game?

Both Campbell's also got rough lbw's and Frost got a caught off his shoulder. They read the memo. These guys are completely wasting their time playing cricket.

Theyve got a whole squad of match winners from U19 looking for spots in FC, the future is bright.

Schadendorf played no red ball last season. Moor barely played. They weren't major contributors to success last year. Nick Welch was. Frost was. Chatara was. Nyauchi was. Masekesa was. Matt Welch was. They're all having poor seasons so far.

Welch Jr is the biggest example of someone who has played much worse this year. His form in the last 12 months has been really sad to see. 67 runs in 5 innings this year. Welch senior had a great time last year, averaging 28 this year. Frost had a great time last year, averaging 19 this year. Chatara and Nyauchi were the best new ball pair last year, 8 wickets between them all season this year. Masekesa had a prolific year last year, averaging 54 this year. Mawadzi has barely contributed. Maruma has barely contributed.

I like Mike Frost, and he played all the T20s and went ok. With Welly away, I was thinking he'd get a go, but still waiting. But then... he didn't play last year, so it's not as if this explains reduced performance.

Obviously I can't comment on umpiring decisions I haven't seen... lol.

Fair to say their overseas have been less impactful than the guys at Rhinos, Eagles and Rocks.

Well they didnt play after the first few games because they got sacked.
MW's FC season has been 23* 0 6 0 38
Career average 37 aged 21
His 50 over has been 0 and 29
Why do you think its sad? Very curious?
Frustrating for someone so good perhaps, but not sad, unless you know something we dont??
If there was a coach worth a damn he'd work with him, review footage and see how to get him back in the saddle, dont you think?
I could spend 10 minutes finding 50 guys currently worse, some in the national side

A nice comparison is the guy who has replaced him
Magodo 9 1 1 11 18
Career average of 14

Chatara is a boss now, doesn't need to try hard, future is secure and made peace with the fact he is not making the national side again. Nothing to play for.

Heads are down because nepotsim, tribalism and racism have taken over. Tough to play under a captain who doesnt have a clue, arrives late, doesnt say anything, doesn't appear to mind if they get smashed.

Precisely. Those 2 you mentioned didn't make a significant contribution last season or this season, so their absence this year hardly explains the defeats.

Matt Welch's lack of form is sad because: He's a long touted promising young player, who had made an extremely encouraging start to his pro career, and looked fluent and genuinely exciting at times last year when I saw him play. It looked like we might have really found one. He has had a prolonged slump for nearly 12 months now. Mediocre returns in the Vigne Cup. 7 runs in 5 innings against the U19s. No runs in the NPL. No runs on that bizarre "tour" of the UK. No runs this year for Mountaineers. Maybe my eyes were liars?

I can't say too much about his keeping. He's rarely kept in 4-day cricket, and has a history of back issues. Rightly or wrongly, he doesn't seem to be considered a keeping option in 4-day cricket. Magodo gets the gloves ahead of Gumbie, so must be considered the best gloveman they have. I haven't studied that closely enough to agree or not. Philosophically I don't have an issue with picking your best keeper, irrespective of batting, in 4-day cricket - although it is no longer the norm in this era! Regardless of form, Welch should be playing ahead of Magodo as a pure batter, were that to be the criteria.

As I mentioned earlier, it's been disappointing that it has taken this long for Patel to get a go, and pleasing to see him take his belated opportunity.

[Googly]

Well, it's more or less the same personnel, in more or less the same roles, but to a man they have played worse than last year, in some case considerably worse.

I can't give you a why though, unfortunately.

More or less the same personnel? You're joking surely?

It's the perfect case study of how nepotism, tribalism and racism destroys cricket. As if we needed further proof. Im assuming the upcoming WC will deliver that as well. The recent last two and the numerous previous one we havent qualifief for certainly have.

They sacked Shadendorf, Moor, Mangongo, and now Welch Jr, rarely play Mike Frost and have a captain that has played cricket for about 2 decades and knows absolutely nothing about it, and the Manicas have closed ranks. They don't like the Harare boys of any color. They have no coaching staff and the umpires continue to play a hand, especially when there's no livestream. NW's continuous lbw's warrant investigation by someone, it's disgusting what they're doing. There's little point in playing if you know that when it hits your pads the umpire will start screaming in delight and do a victory lap. They'd give him out if he was walking onto the field and an errant tennis ball from the tennis section hit him in the back.
Welch Jr hits thousands of balls a week and gets dropped? Sure he's been out of nick, but dropped for guys who have never made a run...and never will. Long may their misfortunes continue. Mike Frost is a sharp player, can't get a game?

Both Campbell's also got rough lbw's and Frost got a caught off his shoulder. They read the memo. These guys are completely wasting their time playing cricket.

Theyve got a whole squad of match winners from U19 looking for spots in FC, the future is bright.

Im a big fan of NW. I just feel like the constant noise and chatter about him doesn't help his cause. At a certain point he has to let the bat do the talking. I counted 3 or 4 LBWs in his last 12 innings, 1 bowled by Faraz and a quite a few caught in the T20s.

I will give Curran as an example of someone who didn't find it easy when he came into the system but he put the work in. Look how he isn't in the T20 side but he finished 3rd in the domestic T20 with the highest strike rate amongst the top 10 run scorers. That is enough to give you a chance after the world cup.

At the end of the day it just seems there is an always an excuse about why NW performed poorly. Bogus umpires, bogus pitch etc. Thats not a good look in my opinion. There is no doubt he has what it takes. He just needs to lock in. Change franchise if it's not working.

Curran is doing great. Hats off to him. Actually he doesnt train too hard, he's found a way and his technique is holding up.
Not sure where the bogus pitches come from? That affects everyone. Look at the team scores. He's not the only one batting on a shit deck.
Umpires yes, he has had way more than his fair share. Way.
What doesnt help his cause is his reactions to going out, they're not good. He got fined for breaking a door this game after 2 ridiculous lbw's.
Turned out the door wasnt broken, but a wooden vent fell out above it. He put it back. Then someone took it out and actually threw it away to prove it was broken. When you get to the bottom of who did that then you'll see what he's up against. It wasn't a player. Everyone knows who it was. That's the person who should be replacing it, and explaining why he did it. Then all will be revealed.