Battles re-emerge at Zim Cricket
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Transformation is now an unnecessary focus. Finances are where the focus should be.
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bayhaus wrote:Someone at ZC looking to gain power has gone to the commission and ratted. It was only a matter f time before they creeped above the radar, with teams like the current tuskers, and the coaches at each franchise, and AC getting larger than life. The message has been - the gains of transformation have been undone and the process needs to be revisited for a second chimurenga...
A second chimurenga is not necessary i am all for empowerment and sharing the wealth of the struggle but not in a way that i do not know how to handle and manage the change and transformation. The truth be told that the current chaos in our cricket is that we do not have selfless administrators who want to build on the successes of the past , grow the game and develop a winning team. I am currently involved in grass roots club cricket and being a business professional i must say that i am shocked at the lack of effort shown by administrators who claim to "run" cricket they fail to run a 8 team second league that has failed to promote a team in 5 years . Administrators who when subscriptions are paid somehow cannot supply us with a receipt for payments made for umpires and scorers administrators who clearly fail to get on the phone to the Bangladesh , Pakistan or Indian cricket boards to make donations for balls that are as cheap as $1 .
I don't blame Tuskers and Rhinos for the current structures that have maintained as the organization of Mr Staddon and Ziehl have attracted guys who simply want to play the cricket . All i wish is the administrators could groom young black guys as was the case when Timoni was being groomed by KC to take over as coach of Mash Eagles. Matland North and Kwekwe have the most organised club leagues that are sponsored thanks in part to the selfless administrators who want to get the game going.
I commend AC and Dominus for the work that they have done they have upgraded the High Performance Center at Country Club/CFX and they are pushing for youngsters such as young Evans , Byrom , Price and Lake while attracting stars like Hamiliton and Rainsford from Takashinga. We as the black clubs and players need to be groomed and trained by those in the know before we botch the whole thing again.
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I've always viewed the Chingoka brothers with respect, Peter, along with his brother Paul(Tennis Zimbabwe). I doubt Peter would necessarily dip his hands "too much" into ZCU/ZC finances, since what he is, is a ceremonial leader. Back then when he joined ZCU, the treasury was still largely in the hands of the old administration. However, we do know that Ozias is the one who came in with a mandate and a license to stick his fingers into everything - above Peter, and the rot escalated from there. The like-minded Alistair Campbell(for whom you somehow have commendation) found a suitable accomplice in him, and is intent to reap big while he's at it.
When you introduce a system of patronage, it very quickly creates a pyramid of incompetent stooges, who occupy needless positions, all of them there to plunder and move on(similar to what we have in ZANU, and the ANC right now). But that's a common phenomenon everywhere in the world - just look at the America, the Eurozone, etc! It simply breeds bankruptcy.
Don't forget that while Majola may have taken the fall in Cricket South Africa, pretty much the entire White-Indian dominated South African Provincial administrators profited illegally from the previous IPL deal. Even the same famed Jew Ali Bacher had his feast of plenty during his tenure. I'm pretty sure us$16m is a fraction in comparison to the kind of 'questions' the Bangladeshi and Sri Lankan boards have faced in recent times. The difference between Zimbabwe/ZC and the rest is that they have more sustainable inflows and tours/revenue so it's easier to cover up and recover from. As for the call for honest administration, that's just a pipedream and perhaps a fallacy!
When you introduce a system of patronage, it very quickly creates a pyramid of incompetent stooges, who occupy needless positions, all of them there to plunder and move on(similar to what we have in ZANU, and the ANC right now). But that's a common phenomenon everywhere in the world - just look at the America, the Eurozone, etc! It simply breeds bankruptcy.
In terms of administration, no grooming is necessary, and for a country with high literacy rates in global terms, skills are not the issue either. Where you're wrong is in attempting to draw a parallel with the majority because this is not the majority but a handful a of greedy people who've had the privilege of being appointed to those roles on behalf of the majority. Your latest post seems to acknowledge this, but your first one, which was narrow, laid the wrong foundation for the posters who concurred with you. It's true that a small group of people managed ZC well, and more people behind the scenes worked even harder to ensure Test status was gained. Having said that, the spread of the game globally and in Zim right now is far more broader and complex, and the kind of monies involved far much larger than before. You need a larger team and are naturally more vulnerable to cracks - just like in the most organized of corporates. As much as the old tobacco farmers declared a fraction of their earnings to the Revenue Authorities and pocketed the rest, if the same previous administration contingent were hands-on now, when the sport has loads of money, they would like Dominus, have raped the game. Only the extent can be debated.gargamel wrote:Its sad that our cricket has become politicized to cater for the majority that has not been groomed to build on their inheritence instead we the majority plunder and kill the cow that gave us the milk.
Sports Commissions, like most global watchdogs, is a toothless bulldog so nothing will come of it. I'm not too sure what you mean Bayhaus so please clarify. gargamel seems to understand what you mean by that, and part of his antidote is selfless administrators. It's the 21st century. They don't exist. Just put qualified people in the right positions, have 'water-tight' fiscal control in place and charge them to do their job - fire them when they don't. Simple. You're obviously wondering who will enforce this. Well, the ICC is finally waking up and considering allowing governments to have influence in the game. The sooner they approve that, the sooner guys like Coltart/Mbalula(SA) will be able to unilaterally walk in and fire guys like Mukondiwa/Majola(SA) without wasting more time and money on Commissions.the gains of transformation have been undone and the process needs to be revisited for a second chimurenga
Don't forget that while Majola may have taken the fall in Cricket South Africa, pretty much the entire White-Indian dominated South African Provincial administrators profited illegally from the previous IPL deal. Even the same famed Jew Ali Bacher had his feast of plenty during his tenure. I'm pretty sure us$16m is a fraction in comparison to the kind of 'questions' the Bangladeshi and Sri Lankan boards have faced in recent times. The difference between Zimbabwe/ZC and the rest is that they have more sustainable inflows and tours/revenue so it's easier to cover up and recover from. As for the call for honest administration, that's just a pipedream and perhaps a fallacy!
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Re: Battles re-emerge at Zim Cricket
gargamel wrote: Matland North and Kwekwe have the most organised club leagues that are sponsored thanks in part to the selfless administrators who want to get the game going.
Is there any info available about any club leagues? Other than the Harare one which you such a good job of promoting yourself...
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Bulawayo Legue Gets Tough with Queens
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Emakandeni Gets a face lift.
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boby Score a 100
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http://www.sundaynews.co.zw/index.php?o ... KzYtGfcC_J
Emakandeni Gets a face lift.
http://www.sundaynews.co.zw/index.php?o ... KzZMGfcC_I
boby Score a 100
http://www.sundaynews.co.zw/index.php?o ... KzZr2fcC_I
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Thanks!gargamel wrote:Bulawayo Legue Gets Tough with Queens
http://www.sundaynews.co.zw/index.php?o ... KzYtGfcC_J
Emakandeni Gets a face lift.
http://www.sundaynews.co.zw/index.php?o ... KzZMGfcC_I
boby Score a 100
http://www.sundaynews.co.zw/index.php?o ... KzZr2fcC_I
But sadly another tale of strife and tear.
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HHM
I appreciate your articulate rant but i feel i must respond . The Chingokas have been loyal servants of our most illustrious sports in the country, i fully commend them for the sterling work that they have done. The problem however lies in the tenure within the structures of the game. I stand to be correct Mr Chingoka has been in the ZC halls for close to over 15 years and with each year power has grown with it and equally the corruptible nature it has on man mounted with complacency and boredom. I stand to be corrected but i dont believe that Mr Chingoka is a saint but it begs a question why stay so long in an organization unless you know where the holes are to exploit which i believe he created.
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I beg to differ the so called literate Zimbabwean will pass an exam , get a decent job and even look well spoken in an interview but for all our famed literacy its shocking at the state of our economy . I sometimes believe we are too clever for our own things and thus we over think things and make things to complicated. We are too much book and no practice. The current politocal stalemate in ZANU is clearly as a result of a lack of sucession planning as no one was groomed to lead. We need to gain the knowledge through mentor ship from past administrators of our up and coming administrators.Currently the franchises that have struggled have been ie Rocks and Mountaineers in the beginning was due to black administrators who were fast tracked into seats of power without careful coaching. This coaching resonates in the players that they attract and the way that they play.
I appreciate your articulate rant but i feel i must respond . The Chingokas have been loyal servants of our most illustrious sports in the country, i fully commend them for the sterling work that they have done. The problem however lies in the tenure within the structures of the game. I stand to be correct Mr Chingoka has been in the ZC halls for close to over 15 years and with each year power has grown with it and equally the corruptible nature it has on man mounted with complacency and boredom. I stand to be corrected but i dont believe that Mr Chingoka is a saint but it begs a question why stay so long in an organization unless you know where the holes are to exploit which i believe he created.
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hhm wrote:In terms of administration, no grooming is necessary, and for a country with high literacy rates in global terms, skills are not the issue either
I beg to differ the so called literate Zimbabwean will pass an exam , get a decent job and even look well spoken in an interview but for all our famed literacy its shocking at the state of our economy . I sometimes believe we are too clever for our own things and thus we over think things and make things to complicated. We are too much book and no practice. The current politocal stalemate in ZANU is clearly as a result of a lack of sucession planning as no one was groomed to lead. We need to gain the knowledge through mentor ship from past administrators of our up and coming administrators.Currently the franchises that have struggled have been ie Rocks and Mountaineers in the beginning was due to black administrators who were fast tracked into seats of power without careful coaching. This coaching resonates in the players that they attract and the way that they play.
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I don't deny that he's not a saint. What I do refuse to accept is that he's the kind of man who would wantonly dip his his hands and fill his pockets to the point of running the place to the ground. He was monitored initially, and the second half of his tenure so far has coincided with a brazen individual like Bvute. I say he's the ring leader, along with other involved figures besides Peter - who was powerless to say "take it easy guys".
As a result of our past we blacks have a problem with authority in the form of another black man. YOU wouldn't pay much attention to Nkala, but you would give Guy the utmost attention, yet one would be quick to say Mluleki has a vastly superior cricket brain.
You're welcome to share your viewpoint, but I've done a lot of work for a number of companies, across various sectors in Zim. In the process I've met a lot of competent individuals at different levels of management. I'm of the opinion that the standard is very high, and their productivity is impressive. I continue to be exposed to the same from a number of guys I meet here in SA.The so called literate Zimbabwean will pass an exam , get a decent job and even look well spoken in an interview but for all our famed literacy its shocking at the state of our economy ...too much book and no practice.
Mentorship and hand over-take-over arrangements are a prerequisite to any setup. To speak of replacing Bob, is akin to grooming someone with the intention of replacing Sir Alex Ferguson. Not possible. For all his shortcomings, his shoes are simply too big to fill. Even you should know by now that there's not a single alternative option people would consciously vote for. All of Morgan-MDC, Simba, Arthur, Edson, Khumbula etc will remain beneficiaries of desperation. Nothing more, just names which have have been presented to them. Once he leaves, Zim will exist in a vacuum of leadership.The current politocal stalemate in ZANU is clearly as a result of a lack of sucession planning as no one was groomed to lead. We need to gain the knowledge through mentor ship from past administrators of our up and coming administrators.Currently the franchises that have struggled have been ie Rocks and Mountaineers in the beginning was due to black administrators who were fast tracked into seats of power without careful coaching. This coaching resonates in the players that they attract and the way that they play.
As a result of our past we blacks have a problem with authority in the form of another black man. YOU wouldn't pay much attention to Nkala, but you would give Guy the utmost attention, yet one would be quick to say Mluleki has a vastly superior cricket brain.
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