Race Storm Hits Zim Cricket

[hhm]

If Givemore had all this amo why wait until now, why not say last year, or is this a case of insurance for a rainy day which is now when he is on the verge of being ousted or is he genuinely a knight in shining armour taking on a terrible system ( which he's been in all along?? )

Are you paying attention to the details you're commenting on?

This is what Makoni said:"I personally fought a directive from the Cricket Committee chairman Alistair Campbell barring Vusimuzi Sibanda from selection and the minister did not intervene. He only got involved when I dropped Keegan Meth for Prosper Utseya during the same tour in conditions that suited spin. Furthermore, the minister recently personally gave a directive to Zimbabwe Cricket to reinstate Carl Jarvis in the domestic league after he had been suspended by the disciplinary committee for abusing black umpires. Is this also in the national interest?

- He fought the Vusi case;
- Probably as tour/series selector he resisted attempts to overrule his decision to drop Meth; and finally
- Mangongo is the Eagles coach, and those two are close buddies, so it's obvious Makoni must have questioned the illegal waiving of Jarvis' suspension. Sir Alex Ferguson wouldn't play van Persie if he had a domestic ban for a red card, since the FA or the opposition team like Liverpool, or indeed any of the other teams in the league but not part of the match wouldn't allow it. Likewise if all the franchises had Black CEOs, you can be rest assured there would have been an outcry over this.

From this it's clear he was making noises within the confines of his job up to this point. It's only when these people decided to sideline him and indirectly use strong-arm tactics against him, that he took things to the public domain, via the various papers. That's not new. It's precisely why programs like Carte-Blanche, Speak-Out & Special Assignment exist in our electronic media, and aggrieved individuals/organisations approach them to expose such things.

I don't think you're paying attention to the details. If you did, you would have seen the seriousness of that allegation. Secondly, it would have crossed your mind that the Black men who were abused by 23 year old Jarvis, and those involved in the disciplinary committee, probably include respected individuals in the community, mature married men with kids older or about Jarvis' age. Yet their conscious decision and feelings were disregarded by the same Minister who reigns over the sport of their employ, and claims to have its interests at heart.

Mangongo resisted and argued against these irregularities and double standards as and when they occurred. What sparked everything now is the attempts to "punish him" for being a stumbling block. All these other revelations are unavoidable by-products of his seeking to expose Coltart and the mafia's inglorious intentions.

[hhm]

Ming, one wonders if those individuals know anything about cricket, legal aspects or even bother to apply their minds before spewing out such things. Makoni wouldn't lie about such a thing via a statement carefully prepared to respond to the Sports Minister and top politician in the print media. This is a disciplinary report he probably read. In any case it's foolish to sue Makoni. He would first have to successfully sue the DC and ZC as respondents. Only then would he be able to sue Makoni for defamation. The arguments of the defendants, and simple question from the judge would be - "You consciously sat out some of the games because you were under suspension, which the DC says was due to your racially abusing officials and procedure dictates that you were made aware of the reasons for this disciplinary action. The fact that you served the suspension as opposed to appealing it signifies admission of guilt so your case is thrown out." The only thing Jarvis can do is sue Makoni for publicising the details of his case. I don't know if that's possible because if it was then we wouldn't be privy to Terry and Suarez cases now would we?

[Ming]

hhm, two things:

1) My comment about Makoni getting a roasting on FB was aimed at highlighting the gulf in reality between his delusions about speaking for the majority and what the majority seem to be saying. Whether they are right or wrong. Hell, even on the comments to the Herald's initial article, he was getting a pasting. Let him speak in his name, that's fine, but some people don't seem to want him as a spokesman, however important the issues, or whether there's any truth in them or not.

2)Jarvis abusing an official is a big offense, worth punishing, whether we are operating within the laws and codes of Zimbabwe cricket or whether we are to take it from the traditions (all, whatever your tribe) of Zimbabwe which say that we should respect our elders. Where Makoni is being devious and not so innocent in his remarks is that he threw in the word 'black' before the word 'umpire', implying that the insult was of a racial nature. Unless he were to prove that this was indeed the case, it remains a libelous allegation, or at the very least, a shameless use of the race card. Until he proves that the insult was of a racial nature, it remains an insult to the umpire, which is grave in itself, but the colour of the umpire is irrelevant.

[sloandog]

arvis abusing an official is a big offense, worth punishing, whether we are operating within the laws and codes of Zimbabwe cricket or whether we are to take it from the traditions (all, whatever your tribe) of Zimbabwe which say that we should respect our elders. Where Makoni is being devious and not so innocent in his remarks is that he threw in the word 'black' before the word 'umpire', implying that the insult was of a racial nature. Unless he were to prove that this was indeed the case, it remains a libelous allegation, or at the very least, a shameless use of the race card. Until he proves that the insult was of a racial nature, it remains an insult to the umpire, which is grave in itself, but the colour of the umpire is irrelevant.

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[bayhaus]

hhm, two things:

1) My comment about Makoni getting a roasting on FB was aimed at highlighting the gulf in reality between his delusions about speaking for the majority and what the majority seem to be saying. Whether they are right or wrong. Hell, even on the comments to the Herald's initial article, he was getting a pasting. Let him speak in his name, that's fine, but some people don't seem to want him as a spokesman, however important the issues, or whether there's any truth in them or not.

I stopped checking out those FB comments cos have realised a lot of those people dont know JACK about the monster that is ZC or about cricket for that matter, they dont have the full context hence it seems like Coltart has a good argument. Funny how many are saying Givemore chose the wrong time to get back etc. Well Coltart and the SRC chose the wrong time for the directive. They are probably the same peeps who castigated Tibba for speaking out on the eve of the test. And most are judhging Makoni on whether he is a likeable character compared to Coltart. Coltart can start a Prophetic church (Makandiwa & Angel) and have hoards of these gullable Zimbas following him, cos that is the calibre of the FB posters, sheep. They dont like anything that takes them out of their comfort zone.

Would love to hear Butcher's thoughts on all this I hope he does a big story even a book when he gets back to the UK.

[Ming]

I stopped checking out those FB comments cos have realised a lot of those people dont know JACK about the monster that is ZC or about cricket for that matter, they dont have the full context hence it seems like Coltart has a good argument.

Indeed, maybe they're ignorant, shallow in their thinking, etc. But in their ignorance, they seem to care JACK about the racial problems that Makoni seems obsessed about.

Would love to hear Butcher's thoughts on all this I hope he does a big story even a book when he gets back to the UK.

Yep, indeed. It would also be interesting to hear out Simmonds (sp?). Would love to have the honest opinion of the current crop of players, but that's not gonna happen.

[FlowerPower]

If Givemore had all this amo why wait until now, why not say last year, or is this a case of insurance for a rainy day which is now when he is on the verge of being ousted or is he genuinely a knight in shining armour taking on a terrible system ( which he's been in all along?? )

Are you paying attention to the details you're commenting on?.....

Again you seem to want me to say certain things which I am not saying. I say both sides have things to answer and I doubt their cleaness or sincereness and are really sowing seeds of distruction, which you seem to be high on to delerium...you say Givemore is right and Coltart the devil encarnate...thats your story not mine...Im not going there. Hope thats cleared.

As to my question of timing if he fought so gallantly for Vusi and is such a noble chap, why was the reporter for rent aka Robson Sharuko not roped in and given the scoop then? Would the reason why we are going public NOW is that its not Vusi's job but HIS on the line? Just wondering. Hope that's clear. That I asked and that you can answer.

[FlowerPower]

If Givemore had all this amo why wait until now, why not say last year, or is this a case of insurance for a rainy day which is now when he is on the verge of being ousted or is he genuinely a knight in shining armour taking on a terrible system ( which he's been in all along?? )

Are you paying attention to the details you're commenting on?.....

Again you seem to want me to say certain things which I am not saying. I say both sides have things to answer and I doubt their cleaness or sincereness and are really sowing seeds of distruction, which you seem to be high on to delerium...you say Givemore is right and Coltart the devil encarnate...thats your story not mine...Im not going there. Hope thats cleared.

As to my question of timing if he fought so gallantly for Vusi and is such a noble chap, why was the reporter for rent aka Robson "Asia" Sharuko not roped in and given the scoop then? Would the reason why we are going public NOW is that its not Vusi's job but HIS on the line? Just wondering. Hope that's clear. That I asked and that you can answer. The more I hear and think of it the more I believe one of Bayhus' theories that this isnt a race issue but a fall out from an uneasy alliance gone bad.

[bayhaus]

Ming I agree they dont say JACK about the racial issues cos generally Zimbabweans are passed that, so am I, but unfortunately these are some of the things that are at ZC and its sad. Zimbas would generally avoid confrontation and Makoni seems too millitant for their liking.

I would have respected Coltart if he had said he called Givemore and they are talking about it.

Well lets see how this unfolds.

[zimstarr]

Makoni centres his selection on takashinga players bulawayo pps dont complain selectors of major test nations are former players dont see why we cant do that lets focus on west indies not stupid race wars or tribal wars mangongo is only angry that the desision affects him personally things should be solved behind closed doors