Steve Mangongo - After having spent most of his coaching car

[Jemisi]

Hhm doesn't need the moral high ground, he just seems eager for a race war.

[aydee]

The next time you see a white player other than Steyn & Morkel, top the ODI bowler rankings, and not play a single Test please let me know! SA just had a Black one do that, and he got kicked out of the Test side as a reward! .

It's not quite as unusual as you might think. Kulasekara was top of the ODI rankings and nowhere near the test side for a while. Ian Bradshaw springs to mind as a similar example from a few years ago as well.

Anyway, somehow I have also been trolled. SA not at all relevant to the discussion that was taking place... My apologies everyone...

[bayhaus]

On Saturday black clubs and former black national and provincial players were called in to rouse support for Steve Mangongo and Givy Makoni. The agenda of the meeting was to gain the support of the black populous to revolt against the SRC directive and dig the trenches for a race war on the cricket field.

So Gargamel, were you atcually there and you heard Mangongo say this or you heard from someone who was there?

[hhm]

OK, Hhm, ignoring your talk about South Africa, you're at least admitting that Mangongo and Makoni cannot claim the moral high ground?

They never have, so there there was/is no need for any admission! Wherever there a two warring factions, such is the order of the day.

My question is what's all the fuss about?
- The late Curran kicked out Utseya from the Goats, now he's playing at the Eagles and outbowling Price.
- Moor hasn't done anything in all those innigs, I say he's good, people say he's bad, but the same people say the coach has pushed him out, meanwhile he failed in all the chances he got, and is still to register a 50 in six innings for the Rhinos.
- Raza has been pathetic in the Logan Cup, this year, and last year, he's dropped for Cephas and the other new guy, but people cry foul?

If there are Takashinga thugs who are good enough to bowl bouncers that trouble a Logan Cup batsman, then the revolution has produced great depth and it must be commended.

Let Steve do his job.

[Jemisi]

Anyone who has played any cricket knows that a consistent barrage of bouncers delivered from 18 yards in the nets is significantly different to real play where the ball is coming from 22 yards and the batsman has a chance to score runs. If you want to mess with someone, you can. Ponting was troubled by a fooballer from 15 yards bowling short stuff. It may not be true anyway, but if it is true it is bad.

[Ming]

OK, Hhm, ignoring your talk about South Africa, you're at least admitting that Mangongo and Makoni cannot claim the moral high ground?

They never have, so there there was/is no need for any admission! Wherever there a two warring factions, such is the order of the day.

OK. Good enough for me. That's close enough to what I wanted.

The question is what to do when Zim cricket is in such turmoil?

a) Arm the two factions, let them go to war, and ignore the fact that cricket, in any form, could die in the process? or,
b) as I have proposed before: 1) Independent Commission of enquiry, 2) Punishment/sanctions for misconduct 3) Long term remedial measures, including Chingoka's proposed ndaba.

[aydee]

- The late Curran kicked out Utseya from the Goats, now he's playing at the Eagles and outbowling Price.

Wrong. He was dropped for Mushangwe in the Goats FC team by Brent (Curran was Eagles coach!!)... He then moved to Eagles as they offered him the chance to continue playing in all formats...

[hhm]

Wrong. He was dropped for Mushangwe in the Goats FC team by Brent (Curran was Eagles coach!!)...

Thanks. I was just going back to edit the coach. You on the other hand are wrong about Mushangwe. It was Lamb he wanted to keep in the side. Much to the detriment of the goats.

[aydee]

Wrong. He was dropped for Mushangwe in the Goats FC team by Brent (Curran was Eagles coach!!)...

Thanks. I was just going back to edit the coach. You on the other hand are wrong about Mushangwe. It was Lamb he wanted to keep in the side. Much to the detriment of the goats.

Lamb and Utseya are hardly competing for the same space. In first class cricket, Lamb is being played as a pecialist bat, who has bowled the grand total of 28 overs in 6 matches all season... (although the fact that he has 6 wickets at 16 in those 28 overs suggests that maybe he should have been bowled a little bit more). The Goats want an attack of 3 seamers (Masakadza, Chatara and Tiripano), plus 1 spinner (Mushangwe). Therefore, there was no space for Utseya. If they need extra overs, one of their batsman can make them up (H.Masakadza/Lamb). In OD cricket, where you need a minimum of 5 bowlers, both Utseya and Lamb played. Utseya always got a bowl, Lamb only occasionally. They were never competing for the same spot. The only other way to pick Utseya would have been to alter the balance of the side and play 3 seamers + 2 spinners, rather than 3 + 1.

[CrimsonAvenger]

Ive read this article again and again and i have to admit that it paints a bad picture of a man that is slowly showing is true colors. On Saturday black clubs and former black national and provincial players were called in to rouse support for Steve Mangongo and Givy Makoni. The agenda of the meeting was to gain the support of the black populous to revolt against the SRC directive and dig the trenches for a race war on the cricket field. The rhetoric of that meeting was clearly one driven by selfish men who have used the talented players to serve their agenda. What makes me sick is the evoking memories of the Chimurenga and desecrating the hard earned freedom struggle. A shocking revelation made by Steve was and i quote ' Mira muone ndikaitwa coach hakuna muvhet one ano tamba' when translated no white players will play cricket for Zimbabwe. This is not an idle threat as i have seen bruised player such as PJ Moor, who were subject to a horrific punishment through a 6 hour batting session of short bowling by hired thugs from the so highly revered Takashinga Club that he owns with Makoni.Now we see PJ Moor playing at the Rhinos . He has started to push out players like Rayzor, Raza, Bundu and most likely the return Jarvis.

I would tread carefully with these men.

Speechless! Thought lets pack the bags, go home and forget about Zim Cricket forever, Its meaningless with things like this happening... But that kid Sauramba catches attention and brings me back. People, for heaven's sake, just think of the future of the Saurambas, the Chataras, and the Byroms, stop bringing personal vendettas and give cricket a chance