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HHM you know gillespie is black right?

he's an abo.

*watches hhm do a 180 turn on Mr. Gillespie. :D


nah but seriously... the thing is with Mr Mangongo is he seems ok at disciplining young blacks from the hood at developing them in their junior years, helping them play a straight bat and shit BUT thats like getting to level 4 on snake on an old nokia phone..you really need a different calibre to navigate a player through the trecherous international waters...whats mangongos qualifications to that?


and secondly... do we even know for sure that mangongo has even done much? i mean.... i know he has been involved with alot of young black players, BUT these players were already talented in the first place... and the current crop would have sprouted up at a time when cricket wasnt that big in the black populace (learning the craft in the 90s) so there is every chance it wouldnt be hard for them to rise to the top with or without mangongo. mangongo would just be throwing his weight behind the thoroughbreds that are already winning the races. I am not saying that he hasnt done so, But there is no evidence i can see he has taken a player from mediocre to balla.

case in point...we already know matsi was a talented kid from the 1995 cricket show segment, when he was about 9 years old and had that white coach.
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ZIMDOGGY wrote:HHM you know gillespie is black right?

he's an abo.

*watches hhm do a 180 turn on Mr. Gillespie. :D


nah but seriously... the thing is with Mr Mangongo is he seems ok at disciplining young blacks from the hood at developing them in their junior years, helping them play a straight bat and shit BUT thats like getting to level 4 on snake on an old nokia phone..you really need a different calibre to navigate a player through the trecherous international waters...whats mangongos qualifications to that?


and secondly... do we even know for sure that mangongo has even done much? i mean.... i know he has been involved with alot of young black players, BUT these players were already talented in the first place... and the current crop would have sprouted up at a time when cricket wasnt that big in the black populace (learning the craft in the 90s) so there is every chance it wouldnt be hard for them to rise to the top with or without mangongo. mangongo would just be throwing his weight behind the thoroughbreds that are already winning the races. I am not saying that he hasnt done so, But there is no evidence i can see he has taken a player from mediocre to balla.

case in point...we already know matsi was a talented kid from the 1995 cricket show segment, when he was about 9 years old and had that white coach.

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bayhaus wrote:
eugene wrote:Hhm, you have indeed made a transformation over the last month or so. You seem to have turned into someone who would be more at home on the NewZimbabwe.com Forums.
:lol: True! I know for a fact there a deep racial divisions at ZC in and out of the team. And what HHM is doing trying to explain what is going on based on what he knows and his own speculations. Race issues when discussed and exposed are rather inconvenient and leave people very uncomfortable, so most people would rather shy away from these issues and avoid them like the plague. Chingoka has confirmed there are race issues. So if we can speculate about who goes into an XI how can we not speculate about who the culprits are. Alternatively come up with the facts or your opinion why the accused are not acting racist and have personal agendas.
hhm wrote:Have you noticed how often issues raised about some of these white characters are ignored or downplayed by you guys, as if they're eternally blameless?
This I agree with though AC, HS, lost my respect for the things they said and did. I think a lot of people still can't believe that AC teamed up with OB to milk ZC, and the issue of conflict of interest was downplayed for all sorts of reasons.
Yep, fine for us to speculate and to have a dicussion about black and white issues in cricket in Zimbabwe. I don't always know if I can agree with you Bayhaus, but you seem to be coming at things from a fair place. Of course there are personal agendas involved and some of it will involve racial bias. Hhm's dark glee and desire for a race war is completely different. It is just not cricket.

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Hhm isn't explaining anything. He is hoping for an ethnic cleansing of Zimbabwe and South Africa.
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Jemisi wrote:Hhm's dark glee and desire for a race war is completely different. It is just not cricket.
I have no desire for a race war. It has existed and will continue to exist long after my time. Unfortunately, in white eyes, a black life(asian, arab, apache, aborigin) is worth nothing in comparison to a white one. The same applies to black interests. The fact that I value them is not a sign of darkness, but a sign of my consciousness and appreciation of blacks and their interests.

The world had no problem with a Zimbabwe cricket team which had no black players, just as much as they have no idea what's going on and couldn't care less. The reasons are the Zim team was a competitive ensemble of lawyers, game ranchers, chicken farmers etc. Right now the Proteas are #1 without a single black. Who cares beside blacks? No one!

A black man made noises, right or wrong, about him being a victim of racism of a directive that was issued and has since become active(albeit illegally), this was Cricinfo and world news. A country's balance of its entire cricket relations is threatened, yet none of these whites tweeted a single thing. Two specialist coaches/contracted consultants are reportedly excluded from a tour is still to happen, their contracts do not obligate them to tour, no official confirmation has been given, but they are up in arms! What does that tell you?

Butcher had the decency to acknowledge the existence, but say he neither approves, nor has no part in the racist issues doing the rounds. What did they say?

Right now in Zimbabwe we have over 95% of people playing cricket being black. The only thing you ever hear from some white forumites here is that this or that white player should be in the team(almost never a black player), this black Zim player is sh*t, not quality, not good enough, inferior to this white player etc, even if stats prove otherwise. That's the very same thing that whites say on a daily basis in SA as well. In South Africa well over 60% at all levels, except the national team, are indigenous Africans! 20 years later, not a single black plays for the Proteas.

If there's anyone who has any darkness about them, they're the same people pointing a finger at me, but with three pointing in their direction. Open your eyes. Everything was stolen from black people. Nothing was ever given back, it never will. They have to take it back for themselves, and be in complete control. Asking in a civil way has never worked, because the answer you get is no, and that's what all these former black players have said. Mangongo et al, can be forgiven for being militant. How else were we liberated?

That's not to say blacks should then behave and have the same vile tendencies of white people by treating them like dirt, looking down upon them, excluding them and blocking their paths as an act of revenge. Not at all. It does mean the floodgates are open for black people.

Why should someone say Andy Waller must definitely get the job ahead of Mangongo. Has Waller ever been around the Test/ODI coaching setup?

You say this is not cricket? That's precisely what it is! You see, cricket figures suffer from a small mind mentality. Do you think other countries will ever get to play Test cricket if they don't force their way? Those ECB/CA/CSA baboons would rather let the game die than allow it to grow! They think it's ok for a football team to be ranked 180 in the world and be beaten 8-0, but they don't think it's acceptable for a team to lose by an innings with 2 days! Somehow they think if that happens then it's not acceptable in the international arena. Why is it a sport then? Only cricket people think like that, no other people! They are the poorest souls on this planet, existing in a small world of their own. If you're not careful, you will fall into the same bracket without realising it.
eugene wrote:Hhm isn't explaining anything. He is hoping for an ethnic cleansing of Zimbabwe and South Africa.
Your inability to comprehend does not and should not in any way disqualify the fact that I have explained and provided bundles of evidence.
ZIMDOGGY wrote:HHM you know gillespie is black right?
he's an abo.
*watches hhm do a 180 turn on Mr. Gillespie. :D
My post showed that I know his heritage very well isn't it. Your questioning Mangongo's credentials is based on nothing other than the fact that his name is not Steven Mangum. Nothing else!
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Glad to hear that you now don't want a race war. That is good news. Hopefully we get to see your change of stance evident from now on.

A person's life is equal in value to any other's. It is this premise that is the basis for selecting a person based upon their performance rather than the colour of their skin.

Just because some people in SA upset you, doesn't mean you can take it out on all of us, just because our skin happens to be a similar shade to theirs. That is precisely what racism is.

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Jemisi wrote:Glad to hear that you now don't want a race war. That is good news. Hopefully we get to see your change of stance evident from now on.

A person's life is equal in value to any other's. It is this premise that is the basis for selecting a person based upon their performance rather than the colour of their skin.

Just because some people in SA upset you, doesn't mean you can take it out on all of us, just because our skin happens to be a similar shade to theirs. That is precisely what racism is.

Jemisi i always thought you were a black dude..wrong?
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Jemisi wrote:Glad to hear that you now don't want a race war. That is good news. Hopefully we get to see your change of stance evident from now on.

Just because some people in SA upset you, doesn't mean you can take it out on all of us, just because our skin happens to be a similar shade to theirs. That is precisely what racism is.
I have not assumed a stance. These are opinions - real time! Nope not taking it out on anyone, just airing facts as they stand. Read clearly.
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So are you airing facts or opinions? Or in your case hhm are they one and the same?
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