ZIMBABWE(A) VS IRELAND, AFGHANISTAN & BANGDLADESH A

[brmtaylor.com admin]

Good players are good players across all formats.

Cremer has had success in every form of the game. Maruma has had success in none.

It's pretty cut and dry, hhm.

[bavuma_rabada]

Cremer has had success in every form of the game.

Which is bound to happen after 80 international matches, unless of course you're as poor as Malcolm.

[jaybro]

I think it's a fair debate ? I don't understand why you would pick a guy like Maruma who is clearly not up to standard, I used Waller as a comparison because you have been so critical of him ......

Why can't you understand my reasoning I've put forward ?

Just for the record Malcolm isn't in my side for me he is in the Vusi Sibanda boat, go back score a ton of runs then maybe. As for Maruma if he scores a ton of runs sure he deserves another chance in the end of the day if you're scoring runs the selectors can't ask anymore of you. But from what I've seen of Timmy he would be better off trying to bowl leg breaks again ......

[brmtaylor.com admin]

Cremer has had success in every form of the game. Maruma has had success in none.

He hasn't played much, epsecially against Kenya.

Like I said hhm, they played the same opposition in this series - http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... tournament - and Cremer well and truly out bowled Maruma. In fact, Cremer had the best strike rate, economy and average of all our spinners in that series.

[jaybro]

Cremer has had success in every form of the game.

Which is bound to happen after 80 international matches, unless of course you're as poor as Malcolm.

Guess he was pretty poor when he led us to that famous record chase against NZ with 99* .......

[bavuma_rabada]

Just for the record Malcolm isn't in my side for me he is in the Vusi Sibanda boat, go back score a ton of runs then maybe.

He's already done that. Droped after one match(something tht didn't happen to say Craig or Coventry after their long unfruitful return). So he doesn't need to go back and score runs again. The problem with Vusi Sibanda is that they completely refuse to let him bat in his favoured position. That's the problem.

As for Maruma if he scores a ton of runs sure he deserves another chance in the end of the day if you're scoring runs the selectors can't ask anymore of you. But from what I've seen of Timmy he would be better off trying to bowl leg breaks again

That's precisely what he has done. All he needs now is to get time to prove that he's not good as you say, or good as I argue. The only difference is you deny and refuse his right to that time.


NB: I really don't understand why you guys find it easier to fiercely argue why someone who has earned a right to be there should not be included, yet none of you have explained how Malcolm Waller found himself in the squad to begin with. I think that's a very concerning symptom of this forum. Some guys are even arguing with me about Diplock, yet still they haven't - without being prompted by any comment of mine - raised questions about Malcolm's presence in the first place. That's the very same thing that happened when guys came from nowhere and found themselves in the team. Even Tristan is too afraid to have his name on record against such. Such things tell a big story about this forum.

[bavuma_rabada]

Like I said hhm, they played the same opposition in this series - http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... tournament - and Cremer well and truly out bowled Maruma. In fact, Cremer had the best strike rate, economy and average of all our spinners in that series.

Are you asking me to draw sound conlcusions where someone bowled 3 overs in one match, and the other bowled 3 overs 3 matches? Does that make sense to you?

[bavuma_rabada]

MY SQUADS
ZIMBAWE vs IRELAND ODIs: Chibhabha, Mutumbami, Craig/Vusi, Hami, Williams, Chigumbura(c), Raza, Jongwe, Cremer/Nyumbu/Wellington, Panyangara, Chatara/Vitori

ZIMBABWE A vs IRELAND 4 DAY: Kasuza, Chari, Chakabva, Vusi(c), Maruma, Mutumbami(wk), Mutombodzi, Jongwe, Wellington, Vitori, Musoko (Reserves - Gupo, Chimhamhiwa, Mushangwe, Burl, Kaia)

ZIMBABWE vs AFGHANISTAN ODIs: Kasuza, Chari, Chakabva(c), Mutizwa, Maruma, Mutumbami(wk), Mutombodzi, Jongwe, Wellington, Vitori, Musoko (Reserves - Chimhamhiwa, Mushangwe, Burl, Kaia)

ZIMBABWE vs AFGHANISTAN T20s: Zhuwao, Raza, Hami, Chigumbura(c), Kaia, Jongwe(vc), Sauramba(wk), Cremer, Wellington, Vitori, Chatara

ZIMBABWE A vs BANGLADESH A 4 DAY: Gupo, Kasuza, Chari, Mutizwa(c), Maruma, Mutumbami(wk), Mutombodzi, Jongwe, Wellington, Vitori, Musoko (Reserves - Burl, Chimhamhiwa, Mushangwe, Kaia)

ZIMBABWE A vs BANGLADESH A LIST A: Kasuza, Chari, Chakabva(c), Mutizwa, Maruma, Mutumbami(wk), Mutombodzi, Jongwe, Wellington, Vitori, Musoko (Reserves - Chimhamhiwa, Mushangwe, Burl, Kaia)

[Flakeman]

The guy averages 9...9 !!!!

That says more than enough ! If he was white you would be saying he is a waste of time. Morne Morkel has a higher average for goodness sake.

[brmtaylor.com admin]

Like I said hhm, they played the same opposition in this series - http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... tournament - and Cremer well and truly out bowled Maruma. In fact, Cremer had the best strike rate, economy and average of all our spinners in that series.

Are you asking me to draw sound conlcusions where someone bowled 3 overs in one match, and the other bowled 3 overs 3 matches? Does that make sense to you?

It's unlike you to shy away from an argument.

Are there no stats in that series that you can twist to suit your point of view?