SEAN WILLIAMS WATCH SINCE CWC15

[bavuma_rabada]

Thank you for the post AngusBeef.

Don't forget the thread title though - SEAN WILLIAMS WATCH SINCE CWC15. Otherwise even cumulative comparisons with Panyangara (who bowled 40-50% at the death there) will be meaningless.

As a side note, I think I've already said that generally, Hami&Williams are the two batsmen of genuine quality that Zimbabwe has on the whole. (Regis Chakabva has time on his side to join them, and I've also said I still personally believe Vusi Sibanda is the best even though he hasn't really shown it in the last 14 months. )

The forum is littered with references of the fact that I do rate Sean, so to reduce this to me vs him is a waste of time. I suggest you read the OP again.

If Sean Williams was a Roelof van der Merwe, Jadeja, Binny or the "legal" bowling Hafeez - despite having a good CWC, I'm pretty sure he would have been dropped, and the Cricinfo articles would have had the same arguments I raised here before that player's dropping. Stick to bare cricket facts and discuss them on their merits or agree to disagree.

I'm not sure if any in that core group of batsmen you refer to, owe 50% of their runs (& 60% wicekts) to the CWC 7 months ago when Six important Series have taken place since then. Zimbabwe were always bound to lose every match in the CWC except against UAE. But were expected to do well against those very weakened sides and Associates. Therein lies the difference. PRESSURE and EXPECTATION!

[CrimsonAvenger]

The forum is littered

Yeah, that's the problem. Litter is what we find with all three incarnations of yours so far.

We might seem a dormant community for some parts of the year when Zim is not playing much either internationally or locally, but we are at our heart fans of the team who come together, discuss and rejoice the little successes of the team and its individuals. Yes, we do have our personal favorites and we do criticize players when they are on the field and and are jeopardizing the team's chances, but as a whole, a majority of the forum backs the team and every individual once they wear their reds (or whites) and get on the field.

This whole range of insensitive negative thoughts and disparaging posts about the team and the individuals is sickening. We have enough drama to cope with as Zimbabwe Cricket fans on and off the field. We can do with the eternal optimisim that any fan of Zimbabwe Cricket is known for. So, do us a favour and leave us alone.

[jaybro]

The forum is littered

Yeah, that's the problem. Litter is what we find with all three incarnations of yours so far.

We might seem a dormant community for some parts of the year when Zim is not playing much either internationally or locally, but we are at our heart fans of the team who come together, discuss and rejoice the little successes of the team and its individuals. Yes, we do have our personal favorites and we do criticize players when they are on the field and and are jeopardizing the team's chances, but as a whole, a majority of the forum backs the team and every individual once they wear their reds (or whites) and get on the field.

This whole range of insensitive negative thoughts and disparaging posts about the team and the individuals is sickening. We have enough drama to cope with as Zimbabwe Cricket fans on and off the field. We can do with the eternal optimisim that any fan of Zimbabwe Cricket is known for. So, do us a favour and leave us alone.

Well said Crimson ......

[AngusBeef]

Don't forget the thread title though - SEAN WILLIAMS WATCH SINCE CWC15.

The CWC is just arbitrary a time frame as since the start of the year and I thought as long we we're looking at Williams' test record (vs Malik) which lies entirely outside this time, you weren't picky, but I guess not?

As a side note, I think I've already said that generally, Hami&Williams are the two batsmen of genuine quality that Zimbabwe has on the whole. (Regis Chakabva has time on his side to join them

Have you change your mind since the start of the thread? Agree with you though on Chakabva.

The forum is littered with references of the fact that I do rate Sean, so to reduce this to me vs him is a waste of time. I suggest you read the OP again.

If I understood you correctly, you were saying it was not right to drop Hami when there are others that should've gone before him. I don't think anyone on this forum agreed with decision either! but to use this wrong to justify dropping specifically sean is not fair either and don't be surprised when people think you have it out for him!

If Sean Williams was a Roelof van der Merwe, Jadeja, Binny or the "legal" bowling Hafeez - despite having a good CWC, I'm pretty sure he would have been dropped

Perhaps if Zimbabwe were a top side like India or Pakistan, a mediocre series might see his spot in question but the sad truth is that Zimbabwe do not have the depth to easily fill the gaps. And I'm aware you included Van der Merwe to counter this argument but even a Williams down on form (ave 27.30) would comfortably make a Netherlands team.

[bavuma_rabada]

Sean Willaims' mediocre run since the CWC continues. His average has dropped to 26.14. It is now officially worse than Mutumbami.

He had an expensive firts spell with the ball. After a few wickets tumbled to spook Afghanistan, he came back to get a couple himself for not too much to end up with 2/31. His bowling average and strike rate have both dropped below 100.

Batting: 16 Matches, 366 Runs Scored, 26.14 Average, 2 Fifties
Bowling: 16 Matches, 532 Runs Conceded, 7 Wickets, 76 Average, 94.20 Strike Rate
Nett benefit to the team: -166 Runs

Afghanistan came back to draw the series, which at least presents him with yet another chance to record a 50+ score before the series is decided.

[eugene]

This Net Benefit thoery of yours is garbage. Chigumbura can boost his net benefit by not bowling at all. If Williams wasn't bowling his net benefit would be 366. He should be getting credit for bowling so many overs given that he is a part timer. 6 runs per over should be credited to him. Plus another 10 runs for each wicket he picks up. He is now our best performing player.

Two can play the arbitrary statistics game!

[bavuma_rabada]

This Net Benefit thoery of yours is garbage. Chigumbura can boost his net benefit by not bowling at all. If Williams wasn't bowling his net benefit would be 366. He should be getting credit for bowling so many overs given that he is a part timer. 6 runs per over should be credited to him. Plus another 10 runs for each wicket he picks up. He is now our best performing player.

Two can play the arbitrary statistics game!

Inkeeping with you thinking, should we also double the number of runs Elton Chigumbura has scored from number four considering he's a number seven batsman, and also penalise Williams & Raza each time they have batted lower than him?

[eugene]

As you can see, there is no end to statistical manipulation.

[SpitfiresKent]

I've seen a few posts on here regarding Sean Williams potentially leaving, where has all of this stemmed from?

[Flakeman]

The inner knowledge that ZC is a complete and utter joke and it's just a matter of time before his salary is halved. Because Lupepe s daughter totalled her 5th S class Mercedes Benz, and NEEDS a replacement.

Something along those lines, except add about half the admin wanting new black mercs.