[Issue]: Should Makhaya Ntini be the permanent head coach ?

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Re: [Issue]: Should Makhaya Ntini be the permanent head coac

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It doesn't matter who is coach to be honest, we play the same. Give it to Mangongo.
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Re: [Issue]: Should Makhaya Ntini be the permanent head coac

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I see articles that say bring back this guy, that guy, bring back the Currans etc. Nobody is queuing up to come back, this simple fact seems lost on people. Under a new admin and selection panels where you could make a living and where the playing field was level there would possibly be half a dozen cricketers with real potential that would consider it.
It all boils down to the ZC. Those guys are the destroyers and they and their boot licking sycophants need to go or we are doomed, and they're not going anywhere, they are shackled to the gravy train.

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Re: [Issue]: Should Makhaya Ntini be the permanent head coac

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Under a trustworthy admin Ervine, Taylor and Jarvis would be playing here. I think there would have been a good chance that the Currans would have contemplated a shift, Lake, Welch, Byrom, Evans, King, Snater, etc etc
The list is long and you now have people that can challenge for spots. We discuss everything as nauseum except the one single real issue- how to get rid of the rotten scoundrels that have destroyed our game. We need to vote them out, kick them out, get ICC to kick them out and start again with proper people and a proper plan.

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Re: [Issue]: Should Makhaya Ntini be the permanent head coac

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Agreed but how would u see any way of getting them out? Honestly speaking?

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Re: [Issue]: Should Makhaya Ntini be the permanent head coac

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In my opinion there are a couple of potential outcomes.
I don't think it would be unfair to say that ZC is political. When Coltart was Minister it was clear that his intentions were to try and dismantle the impregnable fortress the hierarchy had made for themselves. I'm not suggesting he's the answer, he's politically naive in my opinion. Anything that Coltart does, or any white guy for that matter, will always be viewed with skepticism. There exists a possibility, albeit a slim one, that there will be a positive political change and we might see some transparency and a change in how the Board is voted in. Of course it would remain to be seen if the people used their votes with the interests of cricket in mind, historically I'd have to say they could be bribed for anywhere between $1 and $400, but one can always live in hope.
Obviously ICC could insist on some changes, but they've never had the spine to really push through with anything meaningful, but again you never know, and miraculously they keep unearthing nothing in the audits, when we all know that they have been at the trough. Things are changing on the cricketing front though, and our recent dismal showing has shown us up in a really really bad way. It's now very clear that there are countries more deserving than us, we've managed to bullshit them for a long time but our ineptitude and the fragile state of our cricket is finally in the open. The cupboard is bare.
My own naive view was that the Players' Union was the vehicle to bring about some meaningful change, sadly they were easily outmaneuvered, outguessed and divided by smart people that have been keeping themselves in the driving seat for many years. It's never too late to resurrect this, but you need a legal team with skills and members of the union that will not succumb to threats or bribes or empty promises. I'd have to say that's almost impossible as well.
This much is clear- unless there's a change in how cricket is played and administered we don't have long to go, two years max and it will be upon us before we know it. For administrators and people in general that are used to instant gratification it may appear that we have time, but it's almost too late.

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Re: [Issue]: Should Makhaya Ntini be the permanent head coac

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The problem is that all these guys running ZC owe their whole lives to ZC so they will fight to the death to keep the same structures.ICC could intervene with some reforms and change problems like how Mukondiwa,Makoni etc earn more than all the players. the players union was one of the best ideas in principle but it was hijacked by the same bad apples who also hijacked the last elections which saw Manase blindsided. unfortunately the only way out that I see is a total collapse so that these guys have no motivation to remain and loot the precious resources ZC has.by the looks of things it might happen as some sponsors are getting sick and tired of the circus. I think if we lose TSM for example that might be the end of the road.

I personally feel the only way to get a board who actually care about cricket is making some of those top roles non-executive positions with no salary so that only people who genuinely care about the game are involved.

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