Williams was roped in after outcry

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ZIMDOGGY wrote:Chigs and cremer so sound stupid I agree. Cremer may just be shy though. Taibu not really bright either.

I can't think of any current player who seems bright. People often cite
mawoyo, but I suspect that's more amazement at having a crisp British accent rather than a heavy African accent. I don't think that's necessarily a measure of intellect.

In fact, prosper utseya was intelligent, but in a conniving, Cunning dodgy way.
I am curious to know about your measure of intelligence, or bright for that matter. Hamilton, Tatenda Taibu and Tino Mawoyo passed their "O''s, did their A Levels and passed with flying colours and you can find nobody in that team who is bright? As a matter of interest, have you got A Levels, Zimdoggy?

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Ive found our cricketers to be quite jacked up and quite intelligent. Ive found Panyangra to be very analytical , Chakabva to be a sound problem solver Aliseni is also highly educated , Propser has a very sound Cricketing mind. We need to be respectfull of our players and not think that they are not clever. Most have Olevels and Alevels and i know a few who are pursuing qualifications on a part time basis. Lets not b narrow minded and ignorant
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Current and Past so called "Educated players"

John Traicos - :LLb Law
Trev Gripper - BCOM
Hamilton Maskadza - Bcom Economics
Sikander raza - Software Engineer
Gerald Aliseni - Economics and International Relations
Roberston Chinyegetere - LLB Law
Phske Nkala- Finance
Ed Rainsford - Bcom Marketing
Bright Mugochi- 2nd year Sports Science part time
Gary Chirimuuta - Agric diploma
Tinashe Ruswa- bsc cOM SCIENCE

Intelligence does not allways mean you need O/ A Levles or a degree but we have so many so called intelligent and educated people have lead us down our sorry downward economic and sporting decline. simple common sense is needed
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gargamel wrote:Ive found our cricketers to be quite jacked up and quite intelligent. Ive found Panyangra to be very analytical , Chakabva to be a sound problem solver Aliseni is also highly educated , Propser has a very sound Cricketing mind. We need to be respectfull of our players and not think that they are not clever. Most have Olevels and Alevels and i know a few who are pursuing qualifications on a part time basis. Lets not b narrow minded and ignorant
Well said Mate you nailed it!
Most of our cricketers are quite intelligent,
Some of the comments posted here are display of an ignorant mindset, Assuming that he puts on an accent to fool people around him really.I am shocked

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gargamel wrote:Ive found our cricketers to be quite jacked up and quite intelligent. Ive found Panyangra to be very analytical , Chakabva to be a sound problem solver Aliseni is also highly educated , Propser has a very sound Cricketing mind. We need to be respectfull of our players and not think that they are not clever. Most have Olevels and Alevels and i know a few who are pursuing qualifications on a part time basis. Lets not b narrow minded and ignorant
The thing I've noticed about Zimbabwe cricket for the past few years is that they continuously lack the ability to make adjustments or to anticipate the adjustments the opposition might make. As a result, Zimbabwe have only won the odd match here and there which is probably due to the opposition being complacent or resting some key players. After the win, there is usually a resounding loss. I think there have only been a couple of win streaks, both against Bangladesh, and none longer than a 2 game streak. The common adage is that 90% of sports is from the neck up.
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Exactly, if these guys were smarter they wouldn't keep getting out the same way, bowling the same crap, and setting the same useless fields.
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The issue of our players failing to adjust is nothing to do with intelligence but an issue of exposure at higher levels, playing more games ,quality within our leagues. Our players share some blame but at least some respect for the players must be given to them. We like to compare ourselves with other countries but we cannot compete on the levels of top playing nations due to the following :

1. Cricket was a minority sport and as such was never part of the Black Culture and History until the late 90s when we had a pool of players from the Majority that could compete.

2. Zimbabwe's Economy has been in the toilet for ages and as such has not been able to support cricket through government supplementary grants or sponsorship unlike countries like Bangladesh and Afghanistan where my first point overcomes the economic issues as Cricket is a priority sport if not the national pass time unlike the Asian Subcontinent teams.

3.Reluctance of White people to pass on , train and suppport the new black regime. Zimbabwe is and will always be a black Majority state and I acknowlegde that there are many lessons that could be learnt on administering a flourishing cricket system. Unlike powerhouses like India Engalnd and Australia we have had no succession plan to transfer knwoledge to keep the game moving forward, The truth is the land reform fucked things up and further drive a wedge of distrust and reluctance to transfer and a such we as Blacks have funmbled in the dark but we are getting our way there slowly.

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Kriterion_BD wrote:
gargamel wrote:Ive found our cricketers to be quite jacked up and quite intelligent. Ive found Panyangra to be very analytical , Chakabva to be a sound problem solver Aliseni is also highly educated , Propser has a very sound Cricketing mind. We need to be respectfull of our players and not think that they are not clever. Most have Olevels and Alevels and i know a few who are pursuing qualifications on a part time basis. Lets not b narrow minded and ignorant
The thing I've noticed about Zimbabwe cricket for the past few years is that they continuously lack the ability to make adjustments or to anticipate the adjustments the opposition might make. As a result, Zimbabwe have only won the odd match here and there which is probably due to the opposition being complacent or resting some key players. After the win, there is usually a resounding loss. I think there have only been a couple of win streaks, both against Bangladesh, and none longer than a 2 game streak. The common adage is that 90% of sports is from the neck up.
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Oh please Kriterion you know ridiculous you sound? If that was the case 70 % of us here on the forums, if I can pound our own drum, would be playing for the national team.

Its natural ability, RESOURCES, practice - that goes without saying. Many excellent cricketers including some Australians can hardly string a coherent sentence together and still you insist on 90% of cricket being about brains? Come on. Your common adage is wrong.

I know you like being pompous and all knowing sometimes, of which I don't begrudge you; but in your eagerness to prop up our vocal Zimdoggy and Eugene, and paint Zimbo cricketers as a bunch of dullards, you have only managed to build a vain argument where substance is required.

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gargamel wrote:The issue of our players failing to adjust is nothing to do with intelligence but an issue of exposure at higher levels, playing more games ,quality within our leagues.
We probably have one of the most experienced ODI lineups in world cricket at the moment so I don't want to hear about inexperience and needing more games. I have long advocated for more quality in our domestic setup but am always shouted down by people wanting 10 domestic first class teams and letting anyone who can hold a bat become a pro-cricketer.
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eugene wrote:
gargamel wrote:The issue of our players failing to adjust is nothing to do with intelligence but an issue of exposure at higher levels, playing more games ,quality within our leagues.
We probably have one of the most experienced ODI lineups in world cricket at the moment so I don't want to hear about inexperience and needing more games. I have long advocated for more quality in our domestic setup but am always shouted down by people wanting 10 domestic first class teams and letting anyone who can hold a bat become a pro-cricketer.
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