Why can't Zimbabwe develop a tearaway quick?

[sloandog]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica ... 46599.html

Did anybody ever see this guy bowl live? Apparently he absolutely slammed it down. People keep comparing Rabada to this guy, so he must have been scary good. Just wondering of any guys saw this fella bowl? Hhm, Eugene, Maehara, Flakeman?

I never saw him but he is mentioned in the book, "The Fast Bowler's Bible" written by Ian Pont - a great book that I give to all the young fast bowlers at my club. Apparently he was ridiculously quick but had some bone problem or something.

Yea I heard that too.
My granddad watched him in a New Years test against South Africa on the grass bank and said he couldn't even see the ball.
Looked effortless. Would have loved to have seen bowl with Pollock and Ntini. I know a lot of commentators in the last 18 months have been using him as a young comparison to KG Rabada

[sloandog]

Nicholson didn't chuck the ball, are you thinking of Querl?

You are correct In the fact that he was very wayward though. I'm sure we all watched his game against South Africa in 2010, fast firey and all over the bloody place.

But again, you can't coach pace and this guy certainly had pace. He had a bumper 2010 FC season and after that did nothing. Shame really, could have turned into a half decent quick bowler if he was managed correctly. I know Streak (according to Brown) was keen for his inclusion on that South Africa tour, even though he nearly lost them the game during the 2010 Ireland ODI's, when Eddy Rainsford was on fire

[pariah]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica ... 46599.html

Did anybody ever see this guy bowl live? Apparently he absolutely slammed it down. People keep comparing Rabada to this guy, so he must have been scary good. Just wondering of any guys saw this fella bowl? Hhm, Eugene, Maehara, Flakeman?

You forget Makhaya used to slam it down at 150kph+ and it almost sliced you in half.

Mfuneko Ngam was fast and dangerous, but so was Nantie. Difference is, unlike pretty much all other bowlers in SA, Ngam is pretty much the only one who could hit 150 in the nets and matches effortlessly.

Rabada is more like Zondeki. Fast but not dangerous. Ntini was more dangerous than Rabada.

I think you're looking for hostility more than intensity. I'd have to say Steyn and Donald were intense but not hostile.

Nantie was hostile. So was Ntini.

Morkel and Rabada, unless you encourage them, they're quite nice.

For me, I've seen guys quicker than Rabada and Ngidi.

It's not easy to say Ngam was intense or hostile, because he barely played, and often among mates in Provincial cricket, other guys were fast too, and it was mostly in the spirit of banter. Much like how Tino Best can be if you annoy him.

Overall, I'd have to say Makhaya is SA's most hostile fast bowler since Test resumption for the Proteas, with Nantie next.

EDIT: Worth noting that Ngam is the only fast bowler in SA who's been capable of exceeding the Shoaib Akhtar-Brett Lee 160kph+ speeds

[pariah]

Nicholson didn't chuck the ball, are you thinking of Querl?

ZCF guys on the ground said he did.

You forget that I pushed for Nicolson pretty much more than anyone.

I know Querl and Vitori chucked and I'm not mistaking anyone.

Guys here said Meth chucked too though, and in a way he did at times. How many women cricketers chuck, and they bowl just like Meth, and at his speed. Plenty!

[eugene]

Pariah indeed was always a Nicholson fan. Wasn't Travis Friend pretty quick when he first appeared on the scene? No one will ever beat Shane Bond for me. His story of coming from the police force and part time domestic cricketer to ripping Australia part in Australia is second-to-none.

[sloandog]

You forget Makhaya used to slam it down at 150kph+ and it almost sliced you in half.

He reached those peaks very much at the beginning of his career. From around 2004 onwards, Ntini rarely hit above 140kph. I think Ntini was fairly placid. Always very respectful to batters and just got on with things. Hardly an in your face type bowler. When you say hostile do you mean in your persona or pace?

I'd have to say Steyn and Donald were intense but not hostile.

I don't agree. Donald was really hostile and in your face. Look no further than the Mike Atherton bombardment in 1998.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_4CBQk8Ibo

Steyn too loves a confrontation. His celebrations show his aggression if nothing else does. I do agree that (compared to his early career) steyn has mellowed. The exuberance of youth perhaps but he's still not push over.

Worth noting that Ngam is the only fast bowler in SA who's been capable of exceeding the Shoaib Akhtar-Brett Lee 160kph+ speeds

Where's the proof of that? We can all say that bowlers look like they're bowling those speeds live, when in actual fact they're probably mid 130's at a push.

I've seen Nicholson play, watched him net and met the bloke, he didn't chuck it trust me. Had a lovely strong action.
Yea I remember you pushing for Nicholson, I too was a massive fan, just frustrated that he couldn't get those FC stats back to where they were back in 2010.

Again, meth didn't chuck anything. He's just never pushed his shoulder through the ball, much like Andrew Hall and Jason Holder. His lack of arm speed and lack of action through the crease made his overall balance look off and I can see why people may have thought he chucked it.

Going back to the SA quicks, Tertious Bosch is one that often gets overlooked. My old man knew him really well when he toured SA with my cricket club in the early 90's, and said he was quicker than Donald and could match any of the SA quicks of today for speed. Nasty batard on the pitch and a real gent off it; white line fever hey.

But yea, Nantie Hayward was easily one of the most hostile. That spell in Australia was faaaaaaaaaast!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob4nAn3Ahow

[jimbo]

Ngarava and muzarabani ( blessing) could be the answer to our problems.

[pariah]

Where's the proof of that? We can all say that bowlers look like they're bowling those speeds live, when in actual fact they're probably mid 130's at a push.

I deal in facts.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricke ... -call.html

Just for you. I trust you know your math and conversions right, and the source is arguably your country's best?

[Zero76]

Tertius Bosch was damn quick, I too have heard he was as fast if not faster than Donald. Tragic story that one.

Thinking more recently, I always really liked watching Marchant de Lange bowl. When he first burst on to the scene, he was bowling 150kph consistently. Reasonably gentle run up but then he would just lean back and explode through the crease, all raw power. Unfortunately as a result of all the injuries and subsequent messing around with his action he seems to have slowed down a bit these days

[eugene]

What happened to that Namibian bushman who could bowl fast?