Bangladesh vs Zimbabwe | Only Test | Harare | 2021

[Kriterion_BD]

Shanto played that pull a little too much in the air for my liking with a packed leg side.

[Kriterion_BD]

And here we are talking about Zimbabwe cricket and they do not have a big pool of talent like India do to choose luxuriously. For years their top order have been very fragile and like they say " they are walking wickets". If Zimbabwe can draw a match against top-tier test playing nations it is a huge achievement. And they should not think beyond that. And yes against quality sides, Kaitano's shortcomings as a batter will be exposed but he will learn definitely coz we saw his temperament, application and willingness to grind out in the middle for runs and not to throw away his wickets easily.

The other issue is this was a really flat wicket that Kaitano struggled to score runs on. I can understand taking some time to settle eg getting just 15 from your first 50 or 60 deliveries. But the highest his SR went at any point in the innings was maybe 35, if that.

[lobsang]

It is high time ZC pull up their socks and open the door of opportunities for those young, talented and deserving players and clean out those deadwoods like Chibhabha and Maruma. Moor has gone to Ireland with the hope of representing them in the near future. And there are youngster like Ryan Murray, Brad Evans and Dane Schadendorf who may also go elsewhere for greener pasture if ZC continue snubbing them. If i were the chairman of ZC,I would ring Solomon Mire to try to lure him back since the top order in T20 is very weak and docile. He might consider to come out of retirement given there is a T20 World cup in Australia in 2023 and ODI World cup in India.

Moor would have been picked in the Pak and Ban series. He chose to leave. Cant blame ZC here - he hasn’t performed well for a long time especially in longer formats where his decline appears to be terminal.

ZC have been keen for Murray to come back but as usual with this kind of player he’s asked for ‘guaranteed selection’/contract rather than winning his place with domestic performances.

Evans was selected in the ‘A’ squad last month and was a reserve for the full squad Vs Pakistan too but he chose club cricket.

People being ‘snubbed’ hasn’t really happened in the last year or two. It’s a bit of a myth. Of course there are plentiful other reasons that led to these guys choosing alternatives that we can blame ZC for, but certainly not just ‘snubbing’ players

The Mire suggestion is totally ridiculous lol.

So it seems like you are saying that selection wise ZC is on the right side. Why deadwoods like Chibhabha and Maruma who have been given such a long rope despite abundance of opportunities they had to prove their worth in the side? Isn't it better to root out these weeds and give the opportunity to those young under-19 players? And Moor is miles ahead of Chibhabha and Maruma talent wise and he never had that long rope luxury and obviously he would leave coz there is no payment guarantee plus he is not treated the way he deserves to be treated. He would have been in Zimbabwe if he gets the treatment that Chibhabha and Maruma get from ZC, guaranteed selection without any notable contributionsfor years and they could also become the captain of the side without any merit and virtue so what is more ridiculous? Regarding Solo stuff, You saw what happened in the T20s against the Afghans in UAE, the openers could not only bat but they consumed all those crucial first six overs for nothing and that created immense pressure for the middle orders to up the ante. Solo could really whack and he was more than decent at the top.

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It is high time ZC pull up their socks and open the door of opportunities for those young, talented and deserving players and clean out those deadwoods like Chibhabha and Maruma. Moor has gone to Ireland with the hope of representing them in the near future. And there are youngster like Ryan Murray, Brad Evans and Dane Schadendorf who may also go elsewhere for greener pasture if ZC continue snubbing them. If i were the chairman of ZC,I would ring Solomon Mire to try to lure him back since the top order in T20 is very weak and docile. He might consider to come out of retirement given there is a T20 World cup in Australia in 2023 and ODI World cup in India.

Moor would have been picked in the Pak and Ban series. He chose to leave. Cant blame ZC here - he hasn’t performed well for a long time especially in longer formats where his decline appears to be terminal.

ZC have been keen for Murray to come back but as usual with this kind of player he’s asked for ‘guaranteed selection’/contract rather than winning his place with domestic performances.

Evans was selected in the ‘A’ squad last month and was a reserve for the full squad Vs Pakistan too but he chose club cricket.

People being ‘snubbed’ hasn’t really happened in the last year or two. It’s a bit of a myth. Of course there are plentiful other reasons that led to these guys choosing alternatives that we can blame ZC for, but certainly not just ‘snubbing’ players

The Mire suggestion is totally ridiculous lol.

So it seems like you are saying that selection wise ZC is on the right side. Why deadwoods like Chibhabha and Maruma who have been given such a long rope despite abundance of opportunities they had to prove their worth in the side? Isn't it better to root out these weeds and give the opportunity to those young under-19 players? And Moor is miles ahead of Chibhabha and Maruma talent wise and he never had that long rope luxury and obviously he would leave coz there is no payment guarantee plus he is not treated the way he deserves to be treated. He would have been in Zimbabwe if he gets the treatment that Chibhabha and Maruma get from ZC, guaranteed selection without any notable contributionsfor years and they could also become the captain of the side without any merit and virtue so what is more ridiculous? Regarding Solo stuff, You saw what happened in the T20s against the Afghans in UAE, the openers could not only bat but they consumed all those crucial first six overs for nothing and that created immense pressure for the middle orders to up the ante. Solo could really whack and he was more than decent at the top.

Moor actually turned down a contract. The other funny thing is that ZC were actually grooming PJ to be the next captain for Zim but he wasn't performing. He literally was next in line

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Moor would have been picked in the Pak and Ban series. He chose to leave. Cant blame ZC here - he hasn’t performed well for a long time especially in longer formats where his decline appears to be terminal.

ZC have been keen for Murray to come back but as usual with this kind of player he’s asked for ‘guaranteed selection’/contract rather than winning his place with domestic performances.

Evans was selected in the ‘A’ squad last month and was a reserve for the full squad Vs Pakistan too but he chose club cricket.

People being ‘snubbed’ hasn’t really happened in the last year or two. It’s a bit of a myth. Of course there are plentiful other reasons that led to these guys choosing alternatives that we can blame ZC for, but certainly not just ‘snubbing’ players

The Mire suggestion is totally ridiculous lol.

So it seems like you are saying that selection wise ZC is on the right side. Why deadwoods like Chibhabha and Maruma who have been given such a long rope despite abundance of opportunities they had to prove their worth in the side? Isn't it better to root out these weeds and give the opportunity to those young under-19 players? And Moor is miles ahead of Chibhabha and Maruma talent wise and he never had that long rope luxury and obviously he would leave coz there is no payment guarantee plus he is not treated the way he deserves to be treated. He would have been in Zimbabwe if he gets the treatment that Chibhabha and Maruma get from ZC, guaranteed selection without any notable contributionsfor years and they could also become the captain of the side without any merit and virtue so what is more ridiculous? Regarding Solo stuff, You saw what happened in the T20s against the Afghans in UAE, the openers could not only bat but they consumed all those crucial first six overs for nothing and that created immense pressure for the middle orders to up the ante. Solo could really whack and he was more than decent at the top.

Moor actually turned down a contract. The other funny thing is that ZC were actually grooming PJ to be the next captain for Zim but he wasn't performing. He literally was next in line

Yep exactly. Unfortunately some people just refuse to believe the truth no matter how many time they hear this.


And for the record for the other poster - I absolutely despise Maruma and especially Chibhabha as much as anyone!

[zimbos_05]

This strike rate thing is nauseating. He's on debut for goodness's sake. In fact, after he reached about 65 or so, he had actually begun rotating the strike pretty regularly, only to see a slew of wickets fall at the other end and the incomning batsmen not reciprocating Kaitano's strike rotation. So, he had to reassess.

In comparison, Grant Flower's whole career strike rate was 34. His debut innings also had a strike rate similar to that of Kaitano.

Both Mawoyo and Heath Streak ended with career strike rates of 37, despite Streak being known as an aggressive hitter. He used it to good effect when he was playing with the tailenders, and of course in ODIs, where it was necessary. Otherwise, he was as watchful as Mawoyo.

I can't remember one Zimbabwean opener with a decent career being regularly better with strike rate in our entire history in tests. Possibly an in-form Campbell and Hamilton come to mind, but even they would have played in the 40-50 range at best.

I'm not knocking the lad and saying he was horrible. I'm knocking the system. It's clear that our openers are very slow. The game has evolved from the times of which you are talking of and test cricket has gained pace and higher scoring rates.

That we still have the same mentality as 30 years ago is horrible. It shows no progression and highlights that our coaches are so far behind the game, our players will be too.

My point is, if we want to be competing with teams and showing improvement, then we need to show these improvements. Excuses like, "you can't coach technique at this level" or "this is just how we are" will not get us anywhere.

Well, he did not cross over to a 100, but here's a list of all people who played 250+ balls on debut (as openers):

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engin ... ew=innings

7 of them have less than 40 SR, 7 higher.

Kaitano had an SR better than Grant Flower
Kaitano's SR is closer to what SA's Pieter Malan had last year.

I'm not trying to defend the guy here, but we need to look at Zim and its history in tests overall before laying into this guy. I'm all for a Marumani kind of guy coming in and revolutionizing our test opening approach altogether if he can do it consistently, but having seen what we have dealt with for years now, a stable innings at the top deserves credit.

How many of those players went on to be top test players or have highly glittering careers.

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Moor actually turned down a contract. The other funny thing is that ZC were actually grooming PJ to be the next captain for Zim but he wasn't performing. He literally was next in line
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Lol so Chibhabha was performing in your eyes right? Coz he was given ODI and T20 captaincy by Hammy as a luxury. I had respect for Masakadza during his playing days but soon as he was appointed as the director of cricket, he started doing abominable stuff and I lost all my respect for him.

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Moor would have been picked in the Pak and Ban series. He chose to leave. Cant blame ZC here - he hasn’t performed well for a long time especially in longer formats where his decline appears to be terminal.

ZC have been keen for Murray to come back but as usual with this kind of player he’s asked for ‘guaranteed selection’/contract rather than winning his place with domestic performances.

Evans was selected in the ‘A’ squad last month and was a reserve for the full squad Vs Pakistan too but he chose club cricket.

People being ‘snubbed’ hasn’t really happened in the last year or two. It’s a bit of a myth. Of course there are plentiful other reasons that led to these guys choosing alternatives that we can blame ZC for, but certainly not just ‘snubbing’ players

The Mire suggestion is totally ridiculous lol.

I agree with you on the rest, but for me Murray is still the one guy I would make the exception for. Sometimes you just have to. ZC can't afford to be picky.

[Donald]

Maruma and Kaia have contributed nothing so far this match.

I will reserve judgement until they bat in the second innings before I wield the gullitone on their respective international careers

[Kriterion_BD]

My point is, if we want to be competing with teams and showing improvement, then we need to show these improvements. Excuses like, "you can't coach technique at this level" or "this is just how we are" will not get us anywhere.

The biggest excuse is "he's better than the guy we just had". Kaitano is much better than Prince, I agree. But Prince was so mediocre he wouldn't have cut the mustard on a first class team in Ireland or Afghanistan. And when it was Prince he was hailed as better than Chari (I rate Chari above Prince).

Now I am cautiously optimistic about the Myers/Madhevere generation. These kids are markedly better than the Sibandas, Chigumburas, Chibabhas, et al. Its important to give these guys the right support. And for me thats by playing them since A team cricket and domestic cricket are either not frequent enough or not of a high enough standard.

On the BD forums, everyone wanted Shanto dropped a few months back. I said no. Kid is 22, has decent enough technique, only lacks temperament and shot selection. Since BD don't play A team cricket, his best chance is by playing internationals. The he slammed 163 in an away Test, albeit on a highway.

Btw, Shadman and Shanto showing how to score quickly without taking undue risk (Taylor) or just dead-batting (Kaitano). Even the towering 6 was OK because the intent was to go clean over the ropes.