2022 U19 World Cup Thread

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secretzimbo
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Googly wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:03 am
We're not talking about Taruvinga enough, I've just read that match report. He's the 15 year old isn't he?
I think he's done really well so far. We need some in-depth background info on him, if he's 15 and doing this he's a real prospect! He's in danger of becoming a starlet prodigy.
Yeah I remember him doing really well in the trials a year or so back, but I didn’t realise he was so young until a few weeks ago.

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I love that you aren’t dropping the starlet thing :D

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Googly wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:03 am
We're not talking about Taruvinga enough, I've just read that match report. He's the 15 year old isn't he?
I think he's done really well so far. We need some in-depth background info on him, if he's 15 and doing this he's a real prospect! He's in danger of becoming a starlet prodigy.
Does anybody have anymore info on him? All I know is that he is based in SA. Is it a coincidence that he is attending the same school Madhevere attended?

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secretzimbo wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 7:15 am
I love that you aren’t dropping the starlet thing :D
:D :D :D

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TapsC2 wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 7:17 am
Googly wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:03 am
We're not talking about Taruvinga enough, I've just read that match report. He's the 15 year old isn't he?
I think he's done really well so far. We need some in-depth background info on him, if he's 15 and doing this he's a real prospect! He's in danger of becoming a starlet prodigy.
Does anybody have anymore info on him? All I know is that he is based in SA. Is it a coincidence that he is attending the same school Madhevere attended?
I think there is at least 1, possibly 2, more Zimbos on scholarships there in Taruvinga's year. We may see them in the next batch.

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Bangladesh up today boys

We will surely lose this one but its the manner of the defeat which will show if we have any backbone in this side and also how far we can go in this tournament

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Googly wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:29 am
You sound like a Herald sports writer. He's not a prodigy, nor a starlet for that matter, he's just a good cricketer that's short of runs.
Also there's no such thing as a lucrative club contract. A decent club deal is free board and lodging and about £200-£300 a week, it gives you some nice beer money.
He's not made runs at school level so he's going to need to make some changes if he's going to do well at club level.
Once he finishes school in the UK he probably runs into visa problems if he's not going to Uni there. He'd probably need a Tier 5 visa.
He's not attaining "greatness" if he spends 3-4 years at a UK university either. He'd need to get stuck into our Zim cricket and hope for a miracle because our club and franchise cricket does not foster "greatness." He'd also need to do particularly well in our franchise stuff to get a look in for our national side. As ordinary as it is, competition for places is still competitive, there are some good players vying for spots. He's a middle order batsman that doesn't bowl, already he's made life difficult for himself.
Go easy on the sugar.
A bit of optimism wouldn't hurt, if we have no hope, then what do we have? 300 pounds per week for a semi-pro isn't chump change, I don't think any Zi franchise is paying any players hat much. When I say lucrative contract I mean in the long-term, its an eventuality, rookies rarely ever sign big money deals.
Googly wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:29 am
Also there's no such thing as a lucrative club contract.
I remember a certain Brendan Taylor signing a three year deal with Nottinghamshire for a estimated AUD$95,000 to AUD$190,000 after his terrific ODI WC 2015 performance. I don't know about y'all, but that a large chunk of money to me, so yes, if you perform well, you can get offered a lucrative contract. And thats all I wish for all these young cricketers who are pursuing a career in sport

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Googly wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:29 am
You sound like a Herald sports writer. He's not a prodigy, nor a starlet for that matter, he's just a good cricketer.....
Prodigy definition "a young person with exceptional qualities or abilities". 16 year old cricketer from Zimbabwe scoring a century at the U19 cricket world cup cuts it, in my book. Whether he becomes a world class pro, that remains to be seen. Sports writers said the same thing about Vermulen and Malcolm lake when they achieved the same feat, albeit older, theres nothing wrong with a bit of optimism. If England can boast and talk up their up-and-coming talent, why cant we?.Is there a good reason to not get excited about Zimbabwe's first black cricketer to score a century at a world cup ? given that we've had many (black cricketers that is) who could achieve this feat? Should we only be excited about cricketers the British press (they are arguably the dominant global press and electronic media) tell us to be excited about? Sub-continent cricket fans praise their up-and-coming-talent to no end, the world knew about Rahane, Kholi while they were still in primary school for christ sake, but here on a Zimbabwe cricket forum you are forbidden to praise a former U16 cricketer who scored a century at the U19 world cup, I guess Rajput and the inept ZC administration isn't the only thing fucked up about Zimbabwe cricket
Googly wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:29 am
our club and franchise cricket does not foster "greatness."
Zimbabwe club and franchise cricket does not foster "greatness." umm, the same franchise cricket were former ICC world cricketer of the year Andy Flower honed his trade?, the same franchise cricket that produced Brendan Taylor? To this day, I have Asian and Australian cricket fans asking me about Douglas Anthony Marillier who retired donkey years ago and his unorthodox shots. whether you like it or not, a disproportionate number of Zimbabwean cricketers have made an impression in world cricket and unfortunately for you, theres nothing you can do about it, they sealed thier legacy, you can rewrite history to make yourself feel better.

I get that domestic cricket isn't as good as it should be, but its really up to the cricketers to pursue individual brilliance, are they banned from spending at an hour or two in the nets a day? do we have bowling machines? do we have nets where bowlers can spend time working on their bowling action? As much as $$$ is a very important factor of which ZC has very little of, a player who is hungry and determined can improve himself. Hell Blessing Muzarabani did!!

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Tinah09 wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:32 am
Googly wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:29 am
our club and franchise cricket does not foster "greatness."
Zimbabwe club and franchise cricket does not foster "greatness." umm, the same franchise cricket were former ICC world cricketer of the year Andy Flower honed his trade?, the same franchise cricket that produced Brendan Taylor? To this day, I have Asian and Australian cricket fans asking me about Douglas Anthony Marillier who retired donkey years ago and his unorthodox shots. whether you like it or not, a disproportionate number of Zimbabwean cricketers have made an impression in world cricket and unfortunately for you, theres nothing you can do about it, they sealed thier legacy, you can rewrite history to make yourself feel better.
I'm not getting into the wider discussion but I feel that stuff that happened 20+ years ago is highly irrelevant to today. There is no comparison between the domestic cricket and entire system of the 90's/early 2000's and today.

Today's system obviously does not foster greatness, that's why we are competing with Scotland and Ireland and being bypassed by Afghanistan and Bangladesh.

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Googly wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:29 am
our club and franchise cricket does not foster "greatness."
The same clubs/franchise system that produced a Zimabwean player who destroyed defending champions India's bowling at the 2015 world cup and made the ICC team of the tournament "doesn't foster greatness"??? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: . The ICC team of the tournament at the 2015 world cup

1. Martin Guptill (New Zealand),
2. Brendon McCullum (New Zealand, captain),
3. Kumar Sangakkara (Sri Lanka, wicketkeeper)
4. Steve Smith (Australia),
5. AB de Villiers (South Africa)
6. Glenn Maxwell (Australia)
7. Corey Anderson (New Zealand)
8. Daniel Vettori (New Zealand)
9. Mitchell Starc (Australia)
10. Trent Boult (New Zealand)
11. Morne Morkel (South Africa)
12. Brendan Taylor (Zimbabwe) (12th man)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/crick ... ament.html

Taylor achieved this whilst being paid a paltry $250 per game as opposed to the $5000+ Aussie players were getting, I don't know how Brendan's career accomplishments cannot be defined as "greatness". Incidentally there were English, Indian or Pakistani players in this team (which doesn't mean Brendan was better than them, but just saying) but come-on, saying Zimbabwe domestic cricket hasn't produced some great players from a very tiny pool of cricketers is either ignorant or downright malicious
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